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To think it's tragic if Michael Jackson was indeed innocent

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pregahes · 08/01/2024 21:53

It's a real shame for someone who created incredible music to have their legacy at risk. It’s just tragic, considering the impact his music had on so many. It's tragic either way, if he's guilty for the victims and if he's innocent for himself.

I'm a huge fan and at one point t thought he was guilty but kore recently change of heart. I think there would be more victims if he weee in fact guilty. Somethings doesnt add up.

It's tragic

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MoreDollies · 10/01/2024 19:09

ForTonightGodisaDJ · 10/01/2024 18:55

I have never EVER heard of a Paedophile who didn't have 100's or thousands of indecent images on their hard drive.

Oh for absolute f*cks sake. The two aren't mutually exclusive. There isn't one type of paedophile and they all.do the same thing like an identity checklist. Did it not occur to you that he may not have needed his own stash of photographs because he practically had young boys loving with him so his source material was live? Or maybe he was savvy enough to know that physical evidence might have been his undoing? I mean while else would you go to such lengths to have an early warning system in the hallway to your bedroom suite? Or perhaps you missed the multiple references to "erotic artwork" (and that's being exceedingly generous a term) that they found with kids fingerprints on and 'that' was what he got off on?

How many more ways would you like to be told you are wrong?

KarenNotAKaren · 10/01/2024 19:09

StopTheQtipWhenTheresResistance · 10/01/2024 18:56

I still don't know what to think but I enjoy researching cases and looking at court documents so this might be next on my list.

I was thinking regarding McCauley Culkin. He is Paris' godfather and is very close to Paris so even if something did happen to him, he would be unlikely to speak about it as he wouldn't want to hurt Paris.

I don’t believe Culkin was molested by Jackson. Jackson was way too clever to mess with the most famous child actor in the world. I am quite disturbed however by the fact Culkin contributes to defend Jackson (unlike Corey Feldman who was not molested but believes the victims). Culkin now has 2 small children, I wonder if he will change his mind when thinking about if he would let his kids sleep in a bed with a strange man

KarenNotAKaren · 10/01/2024 19:10

AFAIK Rolf Harris did not possess any indecent images of children. There you go, one example already!

ForTonightGodisaDJ · 10/01/2024 19:10

KarenNotAKaren · 10/01/2024 19:06

No maybe but not so much in 2005.

And they did find naked pictures of boys FWIW

God I could never imagine giving someone credit for not having electronic indecent images of children (please do not call it child porn BTW) but behaving in literally every other way like a great big massive disgusting nonce. WTAF is it with the nonce’s fans?!

Like when they say “yes he was charged and in court but he wasn’t found guilty” like being charged for child molestation is something that is totally normal and easy to happen.

People like this is why pedophiles get away with their crimes.

But he didn't act like a big massive disgusting nonce! That's my point! Sometimes people are charged with crimes they haven't committed it DOES happen!

KarenNotAKaren · 10/01/2024 19:16

ForTonightGodisaDJ · 10/01/2024 19:10

But he didn't act like a big massive disgusting nonce! That's my point! Sometimes people are charged with crimes they haven't committed it DOES happen!

WHAT?! Are you actually serious

  • Sleeping in bed with unrelated boys even after numerous sex abuse allegations
  • Procuring stranger’s children and claiming they were his
  • Collections of pictures of naked boys and other artwork depicting naked children (he sits on a throne decorated with naked cherubs in the Martin Bashir documentary
  • 8 allegations of sex abuse
  • Befriending pretty pre-pubescent boys and dumping them for a new boy before they hit puberty
  • holding hands in public with his little boy friend
  • Sitting little boys on his crotch at award ceremonies
  • Having little boys as your groupies

Of that was your neighbour behaving that way would you just think it was all normal and fine?

I hope you don’t have children. People like you are a safeguarding risk

Yes sometimes people are falsely accused and charged. But mostly big fuck off nonces are charged BECAUSE THEY DID IT.

Why would he do all of the above if he want a great big massive obvious nonce? Do YOU sleep with little boys you don’t know in your bed?

KarenNotAKaren · 10/01/2024 19:16

Oh fair enough!

Still - that was not 2005. And you are wrong that every pedophile views IIOC. It’s not the smoking gun you think it is

KarenNotAKaren · 10/01/2024 19:18

If sleeping in beds with little boys, having naked pictures of children and behaving like little boys are your lovers ISNT nonce behaviour then what would alarm you about a person being a nonce @ForTonightGodisaDJ ? Genuine question?

StopTheQtipWhenTheresResistance · 10/01/2024 19:19

@ForTonightGodisaDJ I am very much one for trying to look at both sides and I have no idea whether he sexually abused the children but his behaviour certainly wasn't normal.

StopTheQtipWhenTheresResistance · 10/01/2024 19:19

KarenNotAKaren · 10/01/2024 19:18

If sleeping in beds with little boys, having naked pictures of children and behaving like little boys are your lovers ISNT nonce behaviour then what would alarm you about a person being a nonce @ForTonightGodisaDJ ? Genuine question?

Also regarding the 'art', why would anyone even want art of naked children anyway? That alone is strange.

ForTonightGodisaDJ · 10/01/2024 19:21

KarenNotAKaren · 10/01/2024 19:16

WHAT?! Are you actually serious

  • Sleeping in bed with unrelated boys even after numerous sex abuse allegations
  • Procuring stranger’s children and claiming they were his
  • Collections of pictures of naked boys and other artwork depicting naked children (he sits on a throne decorated with naked cherubs in the Martin Bashir documentary
  • 8 allegations of sex abuse
  • Befriending pretty pre-pubescent boys and dumping them for a new boy before they hit puberty
  • holding hands in public with his little boy friend
  • Sitting little boys on his crotch at award ceremonies
  • Having little boys as your groupies

Of that was your neighbour behaving that way would you just think it was all normal and fine?

I hope you don’t have children. People like you are a safeguarding risk

Yes sometimes people are falsely accused and charged. But mostly big fuck off nonces are charged BECAUSE THEY DID IT.

Why would he do all of the above if he want a great big massive obvious nonce? Do YOU sleep with little boys you don’t know in your bed?

I think he's a fricking idiot but he did not ask boys to sleep in his bed they jumped in playfully as kids do sometimes and he was too stupid to put boundaries in place.

He didn't collect pictures of naked boys??

Then the rest is just hanging out with kids because he happened to love kids (not in a sexual way).

Missingmyusername · 10/01/2024 19:26

He was acquitted. He may have been innocent, there wasn’t enough evidence - clearly or he would’ve been found guilty.

Newchapterbeckons · 10/01/2024 19:28

ForTonightGodisaDJ · 10/01/2024 19:21

I think he's a fricking idiot but he did not ask boys to sleep in his bed they jumped in playfully as kids do sometimes and he was too stupid to put boundaries in place.

He didn't collect pictures of naked boys??

Then the rest is just hanging out with kids because he happened to love kids (not in a sexual way).

He is an ADULT!!
You are speaking about him like he is ten years old. If a child gets in your bed would you ever allow it??? Because most adults would know this is entirely inappropriate.

ForTonightGodisaDJ · 10/01/2024 19:31

Newchapterbeckons · 10/01/2024 19:28

He is an ADULT!!
You are speaking about him like he is ten years old. If a child gets in your bed would you ever allow it??? Because most adults would know this is entirely inappropriate.

I know! Hence why I said he was an idiot. He was arrogant because he knew he wasn't doing anything wrong (sexual) so he felt he didn't need to change his behaviour and tbh has brought most of this on himself! But that doesn't make it right.

BayCityCoaster · 10/01/2024 19:31

ForTonightGodisaDJ · 10/01/2024 19:21

I think he's a fricking idiot but he did not ask boys to sleep in his bed they jumped in playfully as kids do sometimes and he was too stupid to put boundaries in place.

He didn't collect pictures of naked boys??

Then the rest is just hanging out with kids because he happened to love kids (not in a sexual way).

Are you for real….? 😳

What are you wilfully not seeing….?

I don’t know a single adult who behaves like this.

Do you….?

’Too stupid to put boundaries in place’ - can you not see what you’re writing….?

BayCityCoaster · 10/01/2024 19:32

ForTonightGodisaDJ · 10/01/2024 19:31

I know! Hence why I said he was an idiot. He was arrogant because he knew he wasn't doing anything wrong (sexual) so he felt he didn't need to change his behaviour and tbh has brought most of this on himself! But that doesn't make it right.

because he knew he wasn't doing anything wrong (sexual)

You’re inside his brain, are you….?

MoreDollies · 10/01/2024 19:33

ForTonightGodisaDJ · 10/01/2024 19:21

I think he's a fricking idiot but he did not ask boys to sleep in his bed they jumped in playfully as kids do sometimes and he was too stupid to put boundaries in place.

He didn't collect pictures of naked boys??

Then the rest is just hanging out with kids because he happened to love kids (not in a sexual way).

Yes, let's blame the little boys he'd invited round for sleeping in his bed with him... You realise that most other adult men would have the awareness of inappropriateness of that whole scenario. And being the grown up would have behaved like the grown up

ForTonightGodisaDJ · 10/01/2024 19:34

BayCityCoaster · 10/01/2024 19:31

Are you for real….? 😳

What are you wilfully not seeing….?

I don’t know a single adult who behaves like this.

Do you….?

’Too stupid to put boundaries in place’ - can you not see what you’re writing….?

Yes?! Can you? He was arrogant and stupid. He knew he wasn't doing anything wrong (sexual) so he thought others should too

BayCityCoaster · 10/01/2024 19:34

ForTonightGodisaDJ · 10/01/2024 19:34

Yes?! Can you? He was arrogant and stupid. He knew he wasn't doing anything wrong (sexual) so he thought others should too

How do you know what he thought….?

ForTonightGodisaDJ · 10/01/2024 19:35

MoreDollies · 10/01/2024 19:33

Yes, let's blame the little boys he'd invited round for sleeping in his bed with him... You realise that most other adult men would have the awareness of inappropriateness of that whole scenario. And being the grown up would have behaved like the grown up

I haven't blamed anyone wtf! I've basically said that he should have put boundaries in place and behaved like the grown up 😡

BayCityCoaster · 10/01/2024 19:36

ForTonightGodisaDJ · 10/01/2024 19:35

I haven't blamed anyone wtf! I've basically said that he should have put boundaries in place and behaved like the grown up 😡

You’re getting angry at the wrong people, @ForTonightGodisaDJ

But by all means, carry on defending MJ. I’m sure he appreciates all you’re doing for him, beyond the grave.

ForTonightGodisaDJ · 10/01/2024 19:37

BayCityCoaster · 10/01/2024 19:34

How do you know what he thought….?

I've done a bit of research on the subject and that is my opinion. None of us can say for sure. Read biographies, watched interviews (police and otherwise), researched the court case etc

ForTonightGodisaDJ · 10/01/2024 19:37

BayCityCoaster · 10/01/2024 19:36

You’re getting angry at the wrong people, @ForTonightGodisaDJ

But by all means, carry on defending MJ. I’m sure he appreciates all you’re doing for him, beyond the grave.

I don't give a shit.

BayCityCoaster · 10/01/2024 19:38

ForTonightGodisaDJ · 10/01/2024 19:37

I've done a bit of research on the subject and that is my opinion. None of us can say for sure. Read biographies, watched interviews (police and otherwise), researched the court case etc

So stop saying ‘he thought…’ then.

You can’t say that for the obvious reason that you don’t know.

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