To think it's tragic if Michael Jackson was indeed innocent

[pregahes]

It's a real shame for someone who created incredible music to have their legacy at risk. It’s just tragic, considering the impact his music had on so many. It's tragic either way, if he's guilty for the victims and if he's innocent for himself.

I'm a huge fan and at one point t thought he was guilty but kore recently change of heart. I think there would be more victims if he weee in fact guilty. Somethings doesnt add up.

It's tragic

@KarenNotAKaren I meant in general, in response to a question upthread. It's wrong that victims can't be anonymous in the USA.

Joy Robson was a momager before momager was even a thing. She was utterly obsessed with Michael Jackson and left her husband and oldest child to pursue a friendship with someone she barely knew. At the expense and suffering of her son - I really don’t know how the woman can be surprised that her son thinks she’s a shit mum

We don’t know but abused children whose fathers commit suicide are highly likely to suffer serious MH issues as adults

What an awful thread.

I confess there are many things about Michael Jackson's lifestyle that I think were highly suspect and I would not have trusted him around my own children.

That said, he was never convicted of any crime, let alone the most horrific crime imaginable. I don't think it is appropriate to use language to suggest someone committed a crime when a court examined the evidence and concluded it was insufficient to reach such a conclusion. There's a principle of innocent until proven guilty that dates back to the 13th century at least.

Doesn't mean you have to like him.

I believe the maker of Leaving Neverland Dan Reed tried and failed to track him down for the film, so he has REALLY become incognito

I’m nearly 40 and I wouldn’t testify against the man who raped me as a child. I certainly wouldn’t have done as a child.

So amused to hear that doing so would be empowering by a pedophile apologist on this thread though

Exactly my viewpoint.

Who said that?

And not one accuser ever went to the police. Instead the families forced civil trials looking for money, instead of criminal trials which would have proven guilt. Odd.

Someone a few pages back who said that testifying in court is empowering and good therapy

It’s very wrong. I wonder if it’s the same now

What’s your thoughts on Jimmy Saville?

PS @tachetastic of you don’t want to be accused of the ‘worst crime’ of pedophilia, don’t act like a massive pedophile then

Yes they did. 2 did. Your documentary has lied to you.

I have to say I’m quite embarrassed for people who claim there was no police involvement when there was an extremely high profile criminal trial. What did you think that trial involved?!

This.

MJ hanging out with, travelling with and sleeping with young boys is what paedophiles do.

All of those defending him seem to gloss over this part. If he wasn’t a paedophile why did he act like one?

I’d really like an MJ defender to answer this.

I’d also like them to answer what they think of his befriending of little boys only to dump them when they reach a certain age

Very similar.

I think he was a deeply unpleasant person who should never have been offered a job on television, and I would never have wanted my children in the same postcode as him, let alone sat on his lap.

But he was not convicted of anything, so the same principle applies. I would not publish a comment saying he did something. Only that he was accused of it.

I recognise people feel differently.

Did I pass?

To be clear when this is quoted, I didn't.

Well at least you’re consistent.

Personally I don’t like to wait until someone is convicted before I believe they’re guilty, otherwise I’d only accept that 1% of rapists are guilty

In the words of the head of Children in Need when asked why he never allowed Savile to take part. He replied: “I don’t need a criminal conviction to tell me Savile should not be around children”. You apparently would not have been so wise.

Have you watched Finding Neverland?

Hell no.

As long as your kids are ok fuck everyone else’s eh?

But Jackson did. So why consoling he’s been accused of being a pedophile? He acted like a pedophile (because he is one)

Was any evidence found in those 2 criminal trials?

Yes. Lots. Do you think ever arrest ends up in a trial? The bar is SO high to charge and take someone to court especially WRT sex crimes. Cases that go to court cost the state millions and they do not do it based on ‘no evidence’. You really should read court transcripts, it’s very interesting but also very distressing

But that’s not what your documentary was claiming - apparently it was claiming that no child went to the police. I’m amazed it can broadcast such a bold lie