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To think it's tragic if Michael Jackson was indeed innocent

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pregahes · 08/01/2024 21:53

It's a real shame for someone who created incredible music to have their legacy at risk. It’s just tragic, considering the impact his music had on so many. It's tragic either way, if he's guilty for the victims and if he's innocent for himself.

I'm a huge fan and at one point t thought he was guilty but kore recently change of heart. I think there would be more victims if he weee in fact guilty. Somethings doesnt add up.

It's tragic

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alltootired · 09/01/2024 18:23

@Northernsouloldies yes it was aimed at you. Criminal prosecutions were tried and the jury did not find enough evidence to convict.
So what would you do? Just walk away?

StopTheQtipWhenTheresResistance · 09/01/2024 18:25

alltootired · 09/01/2024 18:23

@Northernsouloldies yes it was aimed at you. Criminal prosecutions were tried and the jury did not find enough evidence to convict.
So what would you do? Just walk away?

The one that settled out of court was before the criminal trial as far as I am aware.

Northernsouloldies · 09/01/2024 18:25

I fail to see how I'm disgusting. Get of your high horse you idiot.

alltootired · 09/01/2024 18:27

@StopTheQtipWhenTheresResistance An individual can not stop a criminal trial. It would have been dropped by the prosecution service.

alltootired · 09/01/2024 18:28

And it is disgusting to call parents of raped children pimps - which you did.

StopTheQtipWhenTheresResistance · 09/01/2024 18:31

alltootired · 09/01/2024 18:27

@StopTheQtipWhenTheresResistance An individual can not stop a criminal trial. It would have been dropped by the prosecution service.

I know they can't. The financial settlement was in the 90s though and MJ wasn't taken to trial until 2005 I think. The other poster was saying, would a parent not seek a conviction rather than money.

Northernsouloldies · 09/01/2024 18:32

So get this straight, grown man spends sleepovers with children, accusations fly and the cheque book comes out to buy silence and that's OK, and I'm disgusting why the fuck would you put your child in such a precarious situation.

Northernsouloldies · 09/01/2024 18:35

Thank you there's resistance, that's exactly the point I was trying to make.

Newchapterbeckons · 09/01/2024 18:39

StopTheQtipWhenTheresResistance · 09/01/2024 18:31

I know they can't. The financial settlement was in the 90s though and MJ wasn't taken to trial until 2005 I think. The other poster was saying, would a parent not seek a conviction rather than money.

Quite, but those same parents dropped their small children to his house, and left them there alone with Jackson. They don’t strike me as the type to care about convictions and justice, just profit. It’s really despicable.

StopTheQtipWhenTheresResistance · 09/01/2024 18:40

@Newchapterbeckons Do you know whether they continued to let their son see MJ after the settlement?

Mirabai · 09/01/2024 18:41

Daisybridge · 09/01/2024 18:00

As a parent would you accept money from someone if you thought they'd abused your child?

Any victim of a serious crime is entitled to compensation in view of the damage caused. Someone has got to pay for the therapy. Arguably a far better outcome than putting your child through an excruciating court case.

Mirabai · 09/01/2024 18:43

StopTheQtipWhenTheresResistance · 09/01/2024 18:31

I know they can't. The financial settlement was in the 90s though and MJ wasn't taken to trial until 2005 I think. The other poster was saying, would a parent not seek a conviction rather than money.

Would a responsible parent choose put a child through a sexual abuse trial in full glare of global publicity? In addition to already having been abused? I would not make that choice personally.

StopTheQtipWhenTheresResistance · 09/01/2024 18:44

@Mirabai I would because I wouldn't want other children being in danger. I would feel it would be irresponsible not to pursue criminal charges.

XRAYTHIS · 09/01/2024 18:44

SweetFemaleAttitude · 08/01/2024 22:02

If Fred from down the road, hung round with young boys and had sleepovers and slept in the same bed, but was a good singer and could bust a few moves, would you think he was innocent?

This.

Utterbunkum · 09/01/2024 18:48

ZoeCM · 09/01/2024 18:01

It's been a while since I saw Leaving Neverland, but from what I remember Joy Robson expressed at least some remorse. She said something along the lines of "Maybe one day I can forgive Michael if I realise he was sick, but forgiving myself is another thing." She also said that when Wade told her he had been abused, she admitted that she needed to take some of the blame for failing to protect him.

That being said, I don't think she fully understood quite how throughly she fucked up as a mother. As you say, she did seem shocked that her daughter-in-law wouldn't allow her in the house, suggesting she wasn't grasping how completely justified the anger was. The fact that she was even considering forgiving Jackson for sexually abusing her seven-year-old son disturbs me - I know people have different thresholds for forgiveness, but I got the impression she still had some residual fondness for him, even though their entire "friendship" had just been a ruse to get him access to her son. (Plus, I'm not keen on forgiving someone on another person's behalf - she wasn't the one he abused.) I got the impression she'd believed that Jackson was in love with her, actually.

With that woman it's also that she had two other kids and a husband and dumped them to drag Wade to America, chasing Jackson who, at this point, wasn't still in contact with the family. Mr Robson took his own life as a result of his wife leaving him and taking his son for Michael Jackson. Dread to think what that all felt like for the two other kids.
She got to America, realised Jackson wasn't waiting with open arms and basically tried to force the relationship. Jackson had moved on to another victim and broke her son's heart by telling him he couldn't come on tour as he couldn't take kids, then being seen on said tour with another kid in tow.
This is one of those rare occasions when, yes, putting some blame on the mother is absolutely justified. Father wasn't there to answer for himself, but it sounds like he tried to get her to forget it and let the boy get on with his life, but she ran off with his son.
Does anyone remember seeing much of James Safechuck's father in the documentary? I only remember his Mum.

Mirabai · 09/01/2024 18:48

StopTheQtipWhenTheresResistance · 09/01/2024 18:44

@Mirabai I would because I wouldn't want other children being in danger. I would feel it would be irresponsible not to pursue criminal charges.

That’s all very well when it’s hypothetical and it wouldn’t be you on the stand.

If your child had a nervous breakdown as a result or attempted suicide, would you still think it was a good idea?

StopTheQtipWhenTheresResistance · 09/01/2024 18:50

@Mirabai Did Jordan Chandler have a nervous breakdown or attempt suicide?

DewHopper · 09/01/2024 18:53

Lesina · 08/01/2024 21:59

But he wasn’t innocent. He was a paedophile. Hope this helps

No more to be said really.

Mirabai · 09/01/2024 18:57

StopTheQtipWhenTheresResistance · 09/01/2024 18:50

@Mirabai Did Jordan Chandler have a nervous breakdown or attempt suicide?

The case was settled out of court. Jordy refused to testify and the DAs decided they couldn’t pursue criminal charges without his cooperation.

He has gone underground since and may have a new identity.

His father committed suicide in 2009.

ZoeCM · 09/01/2024 18:59

Does anyone remember seeing much of James Safechuck's father in the documentary? I only remember his Mum.

James's father died shortly before the documentary was filmed.

KarenNotAKaren · 09/01/2024 20:04

StopTheQtipWhenTheresResistance · 09/01/2024 17:59

@KarenNotAKaren I have not seen a paedophile apologist on here, just people questioning whether it is true or not.

Even the person who called the child victims ‘cunts’?

StopTheQtipWhenTheresResistance · 09/01/2024 20:07

@KarenNotAKaren I agree, that was wrong.

KarenNotAKaren · 09/01/2024 20:09

alltootired · 09/01/2024 18:27

@StopTheQtipWhenTheresResistance An individual can not stop a criminal trial. It would have been dropped by the prosecution service.

You can in the USA.

KarenNotAKaren · 09/01/2024 20:10

Mirabai · 09/01/2024 18:43

Would a responsible parent choose put a child through a sexual abuse trial in full glare of global publicity? In addition to already having been abused? I would not make that choice personally.

Adding to this that unlike the UK victims are not entitled to anonymity.

KarenNotAKaren · 09/01/2024 20:11

StopTheQtipWhenTheresResistance · 09/01/2024 18:44

@Mirabai I would because I wouldn't want other children being in danger. I would feel it would be irresponsible not to pursue criminal charges.

They did.

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