To think it's tragic if Michael Jackson was indeed innocent

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It's a real shame for someone who created incredible music to have their legacy at risk. It’s just tragic, considering the impact his music had on so many. It's tragic either way, if he's guilty for the victims and if he's innocent for himself.

I'm a huge fan and at one point t thought he was guilty but kore recently change of heart. I think there would be more victims if he weee in fact guilty. Somethings doesnt add up.

It's tragic

Can we leave each other's kids out of this discussion?

Mindblowing the number of people who think there plausibly could be a perfectly innocent explanation as to why a grown man was so keen to share his bed with multiple little pre-pubescent boys.

Mindblowing.

This is one reason why CSA is so common. The fuckers can do it in plain sight and there are way too many who will make excuses for them, no matter what.

I think even if there was video evidence of him abusing them, some people on here would find a way to deny it. “Oh he was just being affectionate/giving him first aid/teaching him about male bonding,” or god knows what; take your heads our of your arses, people.

Jordan Chandler’s mum testified in the 2005 trial and shared her experience of Jackson begging to sleep with her son. Reading it makes your blood run cold. He was vile and manipulative

I know. I mean how naive do you have to be. Jackson even had a type.

Yes this.

What a lot of it comes down to is “the victims weren’t victimy enough” which is fucking gross

He was vile and manipulative.

100%.

Yes if you watch Leaving Neverland the mothers are interviewed.

Once accepts she fucked up big time and got swept away with the game and fortune and glamour. The other was entirely and utterly unremorseful and spoke in happy ways about Jackson. She then couldn’t understand why her DIL refused access to her grandson when the sex abuse allegations came out. They also interviewed the DIL who was horrified that her husband was ever allowed to be left with a stranger and made her feelings about her MIL very clear.

And this is a good example of grooming. MJ and Savile groomed their fans as well as the children concerned and their families.

It was even the same MO: the wealthy charitable star who cared about kids and went out of their way to help them. Which was all just a front to get access to kids to abuse, while appearing to be above suspicion.

It’s just that some people were never convinced and always found them creepy and the adulation strange.

Jimmy Saville was never found guilty but everyone believes the stories abou what he got up to don't they

Jackson was a Fidder Kiddler , but this was the good old USA and you can pay off anyone who speaks up

He was a child actor. He started in a couple of commercials.

So does that mean he can’t have been sexually abused?

No because it’s relevant to the people who are blind to obvious pedophiles

@KarenNotAKaren It's not at all relevant and is completely unnecessary.

What it boils down to for me is 'would I be happy leaving my kids with Michael jackson' and the answer is no.
We will never know if he actually raped those boys or not but what I do know is that his behaviour that I have seen in interviews and recordings, towards those boys, was abusive anyway. The way he behaves romantically to them, spending years favouring them then dropping them when they reached a certain age.
I mean personally I do believe them. I work with sex offenders and it all absolutely fits for me. There's no doubt in my mind. But I do know there's also never going to be definitive proof.
He was very rich and powerful and to this day has legions of loyal fans.
Those poor boys will never get proper justice beyond some people here and there believing them. That is really sad.
I'm sad for child Michael Jackson too who was quite obviously abused and exploited himself. The whole thing is horrible. I can't listen to his music anymore

Asking a pedophile apologist if they would let a strange man share a bed with their child is absolutely relevant to decide why on Earth someone would defend a nonce

…then dropping them when they reached a certain age.

Indeed. This is yet another huge red flag.

You are disgusting. Plenty of us have traumatic childhoods. We are not pedophiles. It s tragic for the victims. That is it.

@KarenNotAKaren I have not seen a paedophile apologist on here, just people questioning whether it is true or not.

As a parent would you accept money from someone if you thought they'd abused your child?

It's been a while since I saw Leaving Neverland, but from what I remember Joy Robson expressed at least some remorse. She said something along the lines of "Maybe one day I can forgive Michael if I realise he was sick, but forgiving myself is another thing." She also said that when Wade told her he had been abused, she admitted that she needed to take some of the blame for failing to protect him.

That being said, I don't think she fully understood quite how throughly she fucked up as a mother. As you say, she did seem shocked that her daughter-in-law wouldn't allow her in the house, suggesting she wasn't grasping how completely justified the anger was. The fact that she was even considering forgiving Jackson for sexually abusing her seven-year-old son disturbs me - I know people have different thresholds for forgiveness, but I got the impression she still had some residual fondness for him, even though their entire "friendship" had just been a ruse to get him access to her son. (Plus, I'm not keen on forgiving someone on another person's behalf - she wasn't the one he abused.) I got the impression she'd believed that Jackson was in love with her, actually.

I would accept money as part of restitution from a criminal conviction but I would want them in prison to stop them doing it to any more children.

@StopTheQtipWhenTheresResistance
I mean... if you look at all the elements that are proven to be true and put them together... I just think people are being apologists when they try to explain all this in a way that doesn't add up to sexual abuse.
Letting kids sleep in your bed, showing them pornography, giving them alcohol, forming intense long standing friendships with them which are abruptly ended when they pass a certain age, paying off their parentorry but you really have to do mental gymnastics not to see grooming here

Something definitely fucked up with that. If you've accepted payment you've essentially pimped out your own child.

Don't be so disgusting.
What do you want them to do? Just forget about Jacksons rape of their son?

@Northernsouloldies
Have you seen that netflix documentary Abducted in Plain Sight?
Sheds some light on how naive and manipulable some parents can be.
There was much more naivety about grooming in the past too as it wasn't spoken about as openly.
I guess MJ just used his charm to convince these parents they were all friends like family.. and the money was him helping them out.. but obviously making it less likely they would ever turn on him

If that was aimed at me you're way off the mark. If my child was raped I'd rather have a prosecution than sordid hush money to keep quiet.