To think it's tragic if Michael Jackson was indeed innocent

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It's a real shame for someone who created incredible music to have their legacy at risk. It’s just tragic, considering the impact his music had on so many. It's tragic either way, if he's guilty for the victims and if he's innocent for himself.

I'm a huge fan and at one point t thought he was guilty but kore recently change of heart. I think there would be more victims if he weee in fact guilty. Somethings doesnt add up.

It's tragic

Some of the comments on here make me sick. I don't know if he was innocent or not, I suspect not. (BTW he was never found to be innocent, just "not guilty" which isn't the same thing)

But fuck me. "He can't be guilty because he wrote a song I like". Yea and Hitler was a fantastic artist and an animal lover. He was still a cunt.

"Why weren't there more victims?" Maybe there were. I hope there weren't. An abuser is an abuser if they abuse 1 or 100 people.
"But no girls have accused him". Uhhh.. maybe he was only attracted to boys.

Fucking idiots

On what do you base your allegation? He was NEVER charged with any crimes. Even after the surprise ambush on his home and computers being confiscated and his house ransacked.

Are we now accusing people of crimes based on documentaries? Actually, don't answer that. Seeing the current trend to cancel anyone on social media and TV documentaries, that seems to be true. Nevertheless, it's not the legally acceptable way of finding people guilty.

Let's get back to OP's question.

In the hypothetical scenario that MJ was innocent then no, I do not in any way think that it is tragic that a man who did lots of things that are absolutely massive safeguarding red flags and would lead any normal person to suspect that he was a paedophile, is thought to be a paedophile.

Imagine you run a shop and you had a staff member who was constantly complaining he had no money and was tempted to steal to make ends meet, and was constantly fiddling with the till and looking over at you as he was taking change out for people. Fast forward a month and some money goes missing from the till, and this staff member was one of two people working that day and the other staff member was much longer serving and you trust her implicitly. Would it be tragic if you sacked this bloke for theft and it turned out he was innocent, or would the reality be more akin to it being a bit unfortunate?

I find it hard to understand why people think that a Not Guilty verdict means that a person has been found innocent. They haven’t been found innocent. It simply means that there isn’t enough evidence to prove their guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. It’s not the same thing at all.

And that’s the problem with prosecuting historical abuse cases. So often, the only evidence is testimony from a victim who had this fucking awful thing happen to them and who may have spent decades trying to suppress memories so they could get through each day. By saying a defendant has been found innocent, it implies that the victim is a liar, which is not the case. I accept that false allegations are (rarely) made, but the numbers are infinitesimally small in comparison to the number of abusers who get away with it.

Saville NEVER went to court accused of any crime. So there was no opportunity to find him guilty.

MJ was taken to Court - TWICE!!

I think he was innocent. Fucked up, yes, paedo no.
As for why accusers did it? Some coached by parents, some resentful that time in the spotlight of someone famous had diminished, all of them about money. Read what happened to the accusers. And on the flip side of why pay off someone - why take the money? If your child was abused, would you be like, yeah that's worth precisely X amount to me to make me silent? No way!

I’ve already posted the names I think they’re on page 2 or 3.

God I can’t believe people are actually getting uppity because a pedophile has more than 1 victim

If your child was abused, would you be like, yeah that's worth precisely X amount to me to make me silent? I wouldn’t let them sleep in a strangers bed- but to your question. People with little to no money vs the millionaire, influencer michael Jackson- probably had to consider going through court, subjecting their child to more vs taking the money to set them up for life.

This is a pathetic excuse. Maybe you aren't a parent because I struggle to understand how a loving parent would let their child go to therapy instead of court.

Court is the best therapy of it all. If one is telling the truth, no amount of cross examination would faze them. Yes, it's hard, but only if someone is not telling the truth.

There's not enough money on earth or heaven nor enough therapy to make me take money instead of finding justice for my child.

As someone who unfortunately had to deal with a few pedos ( professionally ) I think he is guilty , no ifs and his victims are probably extremely traumatised , specifically as most where “ pimped “ by their parents

Yes, Jackson suffered from vitiligo, however, Jordan described him as being dark with light spots when actually it was the other way around...

@StillStuckInTheShed

Vitiligo is progressive over time, so that's perfectly in line with what you would expect some years later.

Again, you are wrong.
Not guilty means innocent Quite often the judge will say ‘you can leave the court totally exonerated, not a stain, etc.
Some jurisdictions have a ‘not proven’ verdict which does leave ambiguity.
Go speak to a barrister such as my BIL if you don’t believe me.

Well I suppose it is tragic if anyone is wrongly accused/convicted of something when innocent. I don't really see what singing and dancing has to do with it. Look at the current post office scandal, ordinary decent people had their lives ruined. I wonder how many could sing?

Exactly this. The victims have been subjected to all sorts of awful treatment since they’ve made their allegations. Their identities are public. Every aspect of their lives and the lives of their families have been picked apart by people they’ve never met. They’ve been called liars and money grabbers. Their reputations have been ruined. And for what?

Would you put your child through that? Or would you think that it would be better to take the money and spend it on trying to rebuild your child’s life?

All of social media including MN has people saying these victims are lying, they were not really abused by Jackson, they are liars. Anyone appearing in a court and testifying about their abuse would be constantly torn apart on social media. Constantly told they are lying. Constantly told that any tiny detail they got wrong was proof they are lying.
I would not put my child or myself through that. Court cases are traumatic enough for people who are not in the public eye. For those who would be in the public eye it would be incredibly traumatising.
And all those who make excuses for obvious famous paedophiles are part of the problem.

I can never understand the parents and how they seem to get away with what they allowed to happen, if it happened of course.

It’s the testimonies from the 8 victims that have done it for me as well as his pedophilic behaviour. Can you tell me the king oh person who wants little boys in their bed?

I keep remembering that documentary years ago where 2 police officers ver a deceived the entrance to his bedroom , a huge corridor full of sensors so it would alert anyone’s presence and secret rooms filled with a bed and toys .
honestiy if this was any other Tom dick or harry people would not need any other convincing . I think people really need to not what to believe to think he is innocent

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8350197/michael-jackson-neverland-mansion-secret-rooms-abusing-kids/amp/

Joe Jackson sexually abused LaToya and Rebbie from the age of 11 (their mother Katherine was aware), so technically yes the father was a paedophile.

@Jioyt yes I am a parent. I have also seem how victims are treated during cross examination in courts..... I'm not saying these particular parents are wonderful, they're not - but to not be able to go through with an emotionally traumatic trial is pretty common, esp in SA cases.

I agree that people want to believe he is not a paedophile so are looking for any reason they can find to justify their desire to not believe.

Something off about this thread! I’ve reported.

@alltootired agree, you're making the point better than me but this is exactly why a child wouldn't want to be subjected to that

@Nagado the other thing about Jackson is that the way he groomed the boys meant they were even less likely to come forward. He made them believe he loved them. They weren't old enough to understand, and thought they, in turn, loved him. The reports of boys heartbroken when he dropped them from his life showed just how much he manipulated their young emotions.

Robson Wade still lived the the fantasy of his relationship with Jackson, clinging to it as something special in his life into adulthood. It's hard to face the true horror of what really happened. Many victims of abusers live in this sort of denial, because abusers aren't all cold, nasty bastards to their victims, like Saville. They can appear to be loving, caring humans, and for a child, that can make what they do that is actually abusive seem like it isn't, even though they don't like it at the time.
This is another reason why Jackson's fans think he is innocent (and why a lot of people STILL think it isn't rape if it's your husband doing it).

They think paedophiles are all violent men who snatch kids off the street. Someone on here even said the kids chose to get in his bed, FFS. They may well have done, because they were kids who thought they were with someone they trusted, who loved them and wouldn't hurt them.

I can't imagine how awful it must be to realise that the person you loved wasn't who you thought they were. And I totally get how you might want to hide from that for as long as possible. And after going through all that, to come out at the other end and say, 'yes, that happened' and be disbelieved because you previously couldn't bring yourself to see your childhood friend as the abuser he really was must be truly awful.

Did you watch the documentary on Netflix about him op? You’d have to be obtuse to think he was innocent.