To think it's tragic if Michael Jackson was indeed innocent

[pregahes]

It's a real shame for someone who created incredible music to have their legacy at risk. It’s just tragic, considering the impact his music had on so many. It's tragic either way, if he's guilty for the victims and if he's innocent for himself.

I'm a huge fan and at one point t thought he was guilty but kore recently change of heart. I think there would be more victims if he weee in fact guilty. Somethings doesnt add up.

It's tragic

Sadly there are many parents who are happy to put their kids in dangerous situations for cash. Greed and stupidity, feeling like you know someone because you know them as a celebrity

Corey Feldman reckons Jacko was a scapegoat to take the lens off other high profile men (Clinton, Branson, Prince Andrew all in the news today). Not saying I believe that…

But these others were all found guilty. MJ wasn't. His accusers were also all unreliable for various reasons. They were all lacking credibility. Just because Harris and Glitter were guilty it doesn't mean MJ was.

I don’t know if Michael Jackson was guilty or innocent. What I do know is he had a seriously weird upbringing and did not have standard values.

However, I do question the behaviours of his “handlers”, assistants, managers etc. Even if they were convinced MJ was “asexual and childlike” (or whatever) surely common business sense tells them it is not a smart move to have your adult male income generator spend lots of alone time with unaccompanied minors. At the very least this would generate talk and bad publicity, the potential for a court case or claim for money is massive. They should have been telling him this behaviour would impact negatively on him and making sure he simply didn’t do it.

Also, WTF were the parents thinking of in these situations? Some (frankly a bit odd in anyone’s book) superstar asks to have your kid come for a sleepover. In what realm is that normal behaviour with no potential risk to your child?? I can only surmise the temptation to benefit from this arrangement via gifts/influence or from court case payoff overwhelmed these parents’ concerns for their own child’s welfare.
I love MJ’s music but think at best he was a damaged and flawed individual and at worst a predator. Probably never know as absolutely no way of knowing who is telling the truth.

States he was acquitted on all counts. What point are you making?

I read an interview of a housekeeper who had briefly worked for MJ. She was a single mother with a son about the age MJ liked.
She said she had never seen anything. But that when she started the job multiple staff members warned her never to leave her son alone with MJ.

Yes

@KarenNotAKaren 8 victims saying he abused them, with very compelling stories.

Never read anything about EIGHT accusers. Please state who they were. If you are wrong then nothing you say has any validity

MJ had multiple prepubertal boys sleep in his bed. His accusers may all be “unreliable” but only paedophiles do such paedophilic things.

Not sure how people have a hard time believing that someone who created a groomers' funfair paradise as a home is a paedophile. It's a bit like Willy Wonka saying he doesn't eat sweets.

There is so much that points in that direction and I believe his victims - I don't understand why people are on the fence on this one. I still hear his music played all the time - no one is pumping out Garry Glitter or playing reruns of Jim'll Fix it, perhaps he passes some sort of talent threshold which makes people more willing to look the other way.

This is where my feelings land... I honestly don't think anything happened in these sleepovers, even if they were in the same bed. Child sleeping with child.

Don't get me wrong, it shouldn't have happened, but I don't think anything 'happened'.

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I don't think you can say MJ is innocent having shared his bed with young boys. Absolutely no way.

Remember, he's grooming you too as per of the package. You're struggling financially and practically, perhaps you have a sick child or simply more children than you can really cope with, you're constantly frazzled. Then along comes this megastar who everyone adores. He pays for things, he helps you out, he takes one of your kids off your hands for a while and treats them to some good times. He tells you how special your DS is and how much he wants to help you as a family. He makes promises about your kid's bright future. For the first time in forever, you feel like you can breathe. And you and he are both surrounded by people who keep telling you how amaaaaaazing he is ans how lucky you are. Can you really not see how you might have been drawn in?

It's easy to say, from a position of having seen from the outside what then happened to these boys, that you as a parent would have been wiser and smarter and more morally rigorous.

You have to ask yourself what motivated his behaviour. Why did he choose to befriend young boys of similar age and looks, then drop them when they reached a certain age? Why did he have these young boys with him when he travelled, why did he have them in his bed? Why did he have pornographic items on display where those boys would have seen them? Why did he have a book of photographs of young boys known for being a favourite among paedophiles (because being 'artistic' meant it wasn't illegal)? Why did he have an elaborate alarm system for outside his bedroom? Why did he speak in a childlike voice, not his natural (adult male) voice?

Gosh, what a mystery it is.

I think it’s more important to ask if your dh or father slept with little children that were totally unrelated to him - would you ever ever be comfortable with that? Is it ever appropriate? Of course not.

Can you imagine dropping off your little son to sleep with a middle aged man repeatedly unsupervised?

Its neglect as a bare minimum - of course it’s been hushed up and they have paid off. The children were basically ‘sold’ to him, to me that’s very similar to trafficking children.

I won’t even allow a Michael Jackson song to be played in this house, he is no different from all the other dirty paedos.

Why did he have these young boys with him when he travelled, why did he have them in his bed?

This makes me sad. Poor boys. How many adults knew and did nothing?

My gut feeling is that he’s guilty.

He was allegedly given hormones by his father to delay puberty to keep his voice high. We’re only just learning about the effects of stopping/delaying a vital stage of development, particularly for brain development, so for that reason I can believe that he was very troubled and didn’t have rational adult behaviours. Having seen interviews with Jazz Jennings and Jackie Green - both adults who underwent puberty blocking treatment, there’s a lack of understanding/empathy that they have which looks like they are permanently in a teenage stage of not understanding that they are not the centre of the universe, and this strikes me as similar to Michael Jackson - a kind of naïvety that is incongruent to their age. This is in no way excusing any wrongdoing, but I think his childhood screwed him up far more than we know.

Multiple teams of security guards, housekeepers, parents etc. disgusting.

The names are literally given earlier in the thread!

No way he is innocent. I cannot believe his music is still played

If you really go into it and do your research it seems more like he is innocent. For some the fact that he slept in the same bed is enough proof and I agree it's stupid but he was arrogant that he wasn't doing anything wrong and the kids jumped in the bed with him, he didn't invite them. But I agree he was asking for trouble and his arrogance led to his downfall.

I heard he was set up and murdered because he was going to expose Hollywood

😂😂😂😂

It's easy to say, from a position of having seen from the outside what then happened to these boys, that you as a parent would have been wiser and smarter and more morally rigorous.

I could be starving on the street and not sell my child to a paedophile.

Perhaps because he was trialed in a court of law and WAS found innocent!! Not having a go btw but in the same way you find it hard to understand why people think he's not guilty I find it hard to understand why his court cases count for nothing with some people! I know the justice system isn't perfect but they went through everything with a fine tooth comb and decided he WASN'T GUILTY. He didn't bribe anyone, he's not above the law. There are countless celebrities that have been brought to justice over the years, some of them people would never have believed it.