To think there's too much left wing dissonance

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Feminist but support women hating philosophies and cultures
LGBT friendly except for the L part
Want to make minorities feel safe except for the Jewish community
Believe in the NHS but go private when needed
Think we should continue atoning for colonialism but mention Germany and WW2 and its like....move on already
Hate unearned privilege but it's handy I'll be left a property
Applaud multiculturalism but seek out monoculturalism in my holidays
Avoid palm oil as it kills trees but I must have a Christmas tree
Eat vegan because factory farming is disgusting....except the stuff that goes into my rescue cat food
Believe women shouldn't kneel to the standards and demands of the patriarchy, but I still remove my body hair, its my choice after all

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Not sure that's not just some trope that you've picked up from the Guardian. I think conservatism essentially (or as it should be) is the kinder way forward. Small state, lower corresponding taxation and proper support for those that need it. Encouraging everyone (if they are able) to make their own worthwhile lives and earn money through working(if they are able). Focus on your own lives and helping your locality. You will make a bigger positive difference if you're a smaller space. Rather than spreading yourself thinly and trying to cancel worldwide oil production or going on marches about another country and a religious war. None of which will make any difference or improve anyone's lives. Mind your own business (by that I mean your own life and the local area). Eg I am in the North East. I am not going to be going on any Palestinian marches because I like to spend my time doing something that is helpful. That's conservatism. In my opinion. And that's My Truth so therefore cannot be questioned.

Do you believe that TW should be allowed to compete in women’s sports?

This has changed massively in sport without government leadership. Most sports now have male/open and female categories and female is female sex at birth.

The issue is still banded about but my son has been competing internationally under male/open since September when the new policies came about in his sport.

But that's plenty of people. I know those who vote both sides of the centre who want those things. It's just semantics really.

I'd also like to say that is also the old left way. It's universal. People are people no matter what party you vote for. Conservatives with a small c aren't any more cruel than anyone else.

This ☝️ in spades.

Trying to pigeonhole people in to left or right is an exercise in foolishness.

Part of the problem is this bizarre hierarchy of 'most to least oppressed' that some of the progressive left subscribe to these days. There appears to be no nuance or tailoring applied to this hierarchy at all and causes are championed according to perceived oppression levels.

We've seen this played out recently with groups whose oppression the left don't properly recognise and therefore have no concerns about firing under the bus. With women's spaces, trans rights apparently trump women's. In the Middle East, Arabs are the 'more oppressed' compared to Jews. The thinking, for some, appears to stop there. I'm not sure where this came from, it's incredibly simplistic and juvenile.

It is quite stark how the left displays the most noticeable forms of corruption, stealing from the poor, racism, sexism and the list goes on. it’s not even dissonance anymore, it’s satire.

The far left are the most corrupt, brazen thieves, stealing directly from the poor. Just google BLM and charity scandal. Frankly, you’d have to be stupid to donate to BLM knowing what goes on.

Out and out racism towards non-white people who dare to not lean to the left.

Disgusting misogyny and siding with misogynists and defending them. Dudes dressed up as women attacking gender critical women at rallies or threatening to attack them, inciting violence towards women. And that’s ok because the left does it?

Follow the science is another gem. Until the science tells you that biological sex is immutable.

The climate clowns bring some comedy to the dark goings on that that racists and misogynists indulge in. Tarquin turns up to a climate March, causes criminal damage, happens to be unlucky enough because the local mickey muse police force actually lock him up for a day that time. And he misses his flight to the Caribbean the next day when his family are off on their holidays.

COP28 in an oil state where all the world leaders flew in on private jet. Thousands of middle class attendees flew in for an holiday in the name of activism And the organizers were doing oil deals on the side and actually got caught doing so. You couldn’t make this shit up.

The list goes on and on and on and on.

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Not sure that's not just some trope that you've picked up from the Guardian. I think conservatism essentially (or as it should be) is the kinder way forward.

You've just fallen into the trap of being like the subject of this thread. I don't read the Guardian - I won't have it in the house. And I have no problem with conservatism per se (though I intensely dislike the current flavour).

What I'm talking about is a set of assumptions that people make that if you are to espouse any left of centre views at all you have to be a) poor b) boring and c) sanctimonious. My point is that this is a stricture not extended to people on the right.

It is quite stark how the left displays the most noticeable forms of corruption, stealing from the poor, racism, sexism and the list goes on. it’s not even dissonance anymore, it’s satire.

Has it escaped your notice that we have a right wing government who have been stealing from the poor for 14 years now? You go on about cognitive dissonance on the left but you haven't noticed the beam in your own eye.

Incidentally, the very word "socialist" is a bit of a dog whistle. See also "communist" and "Marxist"

Better to have a mosaic than right wing actions: giving away the country's assets to rich people at rock bottom prices whilst trashing the environment

Essentially you're presenting a false dichotomy. Left Vs Right is a scale, and within that scale are issues/ideals that also fall on a scale. Additionally it is possible to recognise problems that may seem contradictory.

For example, it is possible to recognise that what Hamas did was deplorable, but it is equally possible to recognise that in no way justified what Israel is now doing in Palestine.

Ok I didn't realise there were traps. I just thought we were all having a chat.

I don't think the poor lefty applies any more actually (although sanctimonius does)That's why the Red Wall fell (will be extremely interesting to see what happens to it in the next election). I think the "left" if you can lump it all together these days as the mainstream media do, are more well-off graduates that live in cities and are fanatical about minority issues. Hence the current problem that many of us have as to which party to vote for as none of them represent the normal person minding their own business.

Follow the science is another gem. Until the science tells you that biological sex is immutable.

Yikes. You really seem to have drunk the koolaid 🤦‍♂️ picking the above section out, in particular, as science says no such thing 🤣

Your post reads like someone who either reads the Mail/Express/Sun, or surrounds themselves with people who do 👀

And the oppressed being championed had damned well better stay in their meek box being grateful and not voice anything inconvenient to their champion. When they do, suddenly the lid tends to come off and quite staggering racism, homophobia, religious intolerance and sexism pours everywhere.

Continue explaining your thoughts disagreeing with sex being immutable please. Always much more useful to provide a bit of background and your workings as you how you reached that conclusion so we can all learn, rather than being rude about a poster's newspaper choice.

I kind of agree with you here. It’s a tricky one - a majority of people in the UK don’t have private healthcare but it’s likely that the ones in power do.

here in Ireland almost 50% of people have private healthcare creating a mad two tiered system that only works well for half the population and I give out about this all the time but also have private healthcare as I know it can save your life and your long term health here.

I’m not sure if the world is as black and white as you think. Most people can’t be neatly divided between left and right. Even if people agree multiculturalism is generally a good thing - your going to find lots of disagreements about what a successful multicultural society looks like in reality.

This human cannot 'thrive on a plant based diet'.

I do. Particularly health care.

Bollocks.

It's a straight choice at the ballot box, nothing to do with ideology.

Do we want to,vote back in this corrupt shower of Tory arseholes? No? Vote labour or vote tactically.

Most of,us choose whether we are right or left wing depending on which political party we want in power and will take the,good and bad,bits of that party in order to get them in govt.

The near silence of the left on the treatment of Israeli women is almost deafening and certainly sickening.

The topics on which the Left doesn't speak up (and there are many) tells you much more about their true thinking.

Every woman should be concerned about this. Starmer wants everyone to believe that Labour has changed (but won't actually admit any of the faults of the past). He's adopted saying nothing as a core strategy.

My prediction is that the Labour manifesto will be paper-thin and very light on detail so as not to scare anyone. Ask yourself: what are they hiding?

Yikes. You really seem to have drunk the koolaid 🤦‍♂️ picking the above section out, in particular, as science says no such thing 🤣

Well perhaps you can clear it up then. Why would changing gender (whatever that means, but we'll park that for now) give people access to opposite sex spaces?

My prediction is that the Labour manifesto will be paper-thin and very light on detail so as not to scare anyone. Ask yourself: what are they hiding?

My prediction is that it will make the Tories’ manifesto look like the Beano. This very serious crop of Labour MPs is very determined to get into power.

I count myself as very left of centre and I have 4 teeth left on my bottom row I will soon have none (some strange part of long COVID/inflammation).
Do I stay looking like a Victorian hag or do I keep selling everything I have on vinted to pay for a set of false. No NHS dentist in our area for years now. Shifted all patients to private. And it's bloody painful till they drop out. What sort of hypocrite does this make me.
Also had a real Xmas tree yet again which I grew in my own garden and planted another in its place but those damn multi nationals dragging down and burning ancient forests.