To think there's too much left wing dissonance

[LefthandRight]

Feminist but support women hating philosophies and cultures
LGBT friendly except for the L part
Want to make minorities feel safe except for the Jewish community
Believe in the NHS but go private when needed
Think we should continue atoning for colonialism but mention Germany and WW2 and its like....move on already
Hate unearned privilege but it's handy I'll be left a property
Applaud multiculturalism but seek out monoculturalism in my holidays
Avoid palm oil as it kills trees but I must have a Christmas tree
Eat vegan because factory farming is disgusting....except the stuff that goes into my rescue cat food
Believe women shouldn't kneel to the standards and demands of the patriarchy, but I still remove my body hair, its my choice after all

What an odd list.

Purposefully goady and lazy post 0/10.

Must try harder.

Plus the worst thing you can do for the planet is procreate.

Totally agree, I completely censor myself around my extreme left wing friends. They have a level of culty belief that stops them accepting any level of political nuance. They totally have “luxury beliefs” as they are financially secure, have permanent jobs and nice houses. Being the most woke only serves to make them look like nice people so they never dare stray from the approved extreme left position.

I consider myself politically left but think differently about a lot of the current issues. However I cannot discuss this with friends.

No one has to be all of everything.

I think you're suffering from an extreme of black and white simplistic thinking, OP.

Feminist but support women hating philosophies and cultures
Feminism is more than just being anti trans - having watch this government make moves which disproportionately disadvantage women across the board, I'm prioritising the bigger picture.

LGBT friendly except for the L part
What does that even mean? That if you aren't 100% gender critical you are anti lesbians? What nonsense.
Want to make minorities feel safe except for the Jewish community
It's prefectly possible to criticise the actions of the Israeli government in Gaza and also oppose antisemitism. It's perfectly possible to utterly condemn what was done on 7/10 and also utterly condemn the wholesale killing of civilians in Gaza.
Believe in the NHS but go private when needed
If the NHS were in a fit state, I'd agree. It isn't, and if someone is in pain and facing a 2 year waiting list and can afford it, I don't see why they should suffer.
Think we should continue atoning for colonialism but mention Germany and WW2 and its like....move on already
I've never heard anyone say that. However, the legacy of colonialism is still affecting millions of people today in many ways - the rabid persecution of LGBT people in Uganda is but one example.
Hate unearned privilege but it's handy I'll be left a property
I agree with this one.
Applaud multiculturalism but seek out monoculturalism in my holidays
What does that even mean?
Avoid palm oil as it kills trees but I must have a Christmas tree
You have a point here. I don't have a Christmas tree.
Eat vegan because factory farming is disgusting....except the stuff that goes into my rescue cat food
So we should just euthanise all cats that don't have a home, or be banned from keeping cats? They're obligate carnivores and not everyone can afford super premium cat food.
Believe women shouldn't kneel to the standards and demands of the patriarchy, but I still remove my body hair, its my choice after all
This is where you've completely lost it. The whole point is that we should be allowed to look however we want - and that includes hair removal if that's what we're comfortable with.

I think left-wing ideology is inherently contradictory, due to its tendencies towards idealism, magical thinking and unrealistic visions of utopia.

Right-wing ideology/conservatism is more honest and pragmatic. More in tune with reality and human nature, therefore less scope for the epic hypocrisy we see with left-wing thought.

Both sides are often hypocrites. The left just get caught out more as, in my "lived experience" (so cannot be challenged) they are far noisier than the right. They judge other people using their own peculiar moral code which others may instead find immoral.

Eg all racism and "unconscious bias"(ahem) is bad but, startlingly, anti-semetism/calling for the genocide of Jews is fine (in context). The left seem to think that's OK and not a contradiction. I don't. Anyone who says that is a racist and they have always been so. You can't box it up seperately. They need to start wearing an armband or kneeling or other such useful and productive antics.

Trans women are women! Their right to do as they want to live "their best life" must be supported irrespective of how the best life of women and girls are affected. But women and girls are not a minority group so they don't matter to the left these days.

If you are a socialist you don't believe in private provision of education or health. Everyone must have everything equally, remember. Using private schools or healthcare should not be something socialists do. This elitism is deeply immoral to a socialist. And yet.. ..Deploy the Animal Farm "one rule for me, one rule for everyone else" and you can feel a lot better about yourself or a Labour politicians sending their kids to elitist school.

The hypocrisy is usually defended using "hey but what about xyz on the right???" which is often incredibly convincing and obviously instantly takes the wind out of anyone's sails. Except it doesn't. And I think people are coming to realise what a complete load of old twaddle has been lectured to us for the last few years under the guise of Virtue and Equality.

Yeah you're reaching a bit with some of those @LefthandRight and some (the palm oil one fe) you don't understand at all.

Do you believe that TW should be allowed to compete in women’s sports?

@scalt "Preaching about climate change, while travelling to conferences on this subject in a private jet."

Is this a left wing thing?

Well you've managed to sort of describe a small faction of people who are Labour voters (at a guess a metropolitan well educated financially comfortable section) but not the majority by any means.

It's smacks of desperation tbh OP. As PPs have said we are humans with complex and nuanced views and our own sets of beliefs some of which bump up against others occasionally. Because of this the same can be said, about hypocrisy and conflicting views, of Tory voters. The difference is that they don't give a shit about it.

Yes, recently had a dollop of this from a person who was sniffy about my drive to France holiday - she had taken the Eurostar as against flying yet she drives a two hour commute every day and I totally work from home.

To be clear most people that behaves like your post follow trends. What is acceptable on social media platforms. It is really embarrassing and I do not take any of these people seriously. This does not even look like a brainwash but more like brainless. I also think it is not everybody but a type of stupid person.

As a left-leaning Jewish person, it’s galling that the only support for us currently comes from the right. Oh, and Stephen Fry, but he’s had so much hate for his alternative Xmas message it’s disgusting.
Some of your other points are a bit random, like food & hair. Cats have to eat meat for their dietary requirements and hair removal isn’t anything to do with the patriarchy, I just don’t like hairy pits/legs generally - even on men if it’s extreme.
Most people are shades of grey - there’s no excuse for anti-semitism though (or racism generally).

I consider myself left and don't associate myself with any of the views you described. I think you're confusing left with middle class liberal.

Morning all....I had a few too many jars last night so apologies for the rant. I still stand by the OP though, although maybe the palm oil and cat food was a bit of a stretch...

Palm oil contributes to deforestation and destroys animal habitats, Christmas trees are a crop that are cut down and then replaced yearly; your talking about two different things. Anti semitism is wrong and so is starving and killing civilians- it doesn’t have to be a “your either with us or against us” position. Women’s rights are about choice - having to remove your body hair - wrong - choosing to remove body hair;
nobodies else’s business. Can’t even attempt an argument with the rest of your list - like honestly who supports LGBT rights but doesn’t support lesbian rights?? What’s a monocultural holiday?

I totally recognise this syndrome. I think the left’s position on Israel is a mess and the trans magical thinking is a huge problem. But I don’t think this is unique to the left. There is hypocrisy and dissonance aplenty on the right too.

I think trying to position the left as the only political doctrine to contain elements of hypocrisy is used as a trick by aging leftists as they seek cover to pivot to the right (because it suits them better - usually for financial reasons).

I see "monocultural holiday" has caused some confusion. I guess what I mean is you get people waxing lyrical over multiculturalism but when they go on holiday they want to have eg a 100% Italian experience in Italy, or a "taste of authentic France" and basically live like its the 50s in some kind of monocultural idyll

@Mummyford because the only people I know who are TWAW, believe in open boarders, believe the patriarchy are to blame for everything are well off secure people whose basic needs are all well met.

The majority of people who are less well, off , have insecure jobs and housing don’t hold these views. They are also a lot more honest about their own desires and feelings. For example an extreme left wing friend I have will openly share all the protests they go on but keep quiet about the amount of holidays they have a year.
Those not engaged with all this virtue signalling don’t have any problem sharing how much they enjoy a nice holiday or if given the chance would leave their shitty area for somewhere nicer. I think extreme left wing people are not open and honest about things most people see as normal.

I live in a poor area and would love to move but somehow sharing this feeling is frowned upon by my left wing friends. They like to pretend they love living in the edgy neighbourhoods (when in reality they live in nice gentrified areas). The lack of understanding and honesty is annoying.

Have you tried registering with an NHS dentist recently? Not a single one in our area would accept our children. Not sure how refusing to use the dental insurance provided by my employer and getting them seen by a private dentist would actually help someone less fortunate.

So a leftwing government tried their very best to put rapists like Isla Bryson into women's prisons. A rightwing government had to step in to block this.

Gender is just one issue but it becomes the elephant in the room when put under kind of fairness test.

I consider men in women's prisons and sports etc a far left view. As toxic as a far right view and I hope that people stating 'TWAW' will be received the same as those who state 'i believe the earth is flat' - i.e. eccentric.

Since becoming interested in gender I've also noticed other issues with lefties - cancel culture, intolerance, all the things OP has said.

I'm done with it, I just want sense, not virtue signalling.

aka virtue signalling. The favourite passtime of the left.

In reality, the left has no interest what the traditional left cared about. These people are just basically using the cloak of caring, sharing, progressive, be kind to let their nastiness to go unchecked. It would all be a bit more bearable if they had any intellectual prowess. Most of them tend to be a bit thick regurgitating whatever they have read or heard on Twitter or mainstream media outlet. Absolutely no ability to think for themselves or question anything.

However, the legacy of colonialism is still affecting millions of people today in many ways - the rabid persecution of LGBT people in Uganda is but one example.

If the persecution of LGBT people in Uganda is because of colonialism then how do you explain the fact that South Africa legalised gay marriage before the UK? I'm a Brit but have lived in Africa for most of my adult life. It doesn't help LGBT people to divert the blame away from (or make excuses for) absolute horrors like Musaveni. It also undermines the agency of African people - it's patronising to suggest everything they do and believe is because of colonialism.