To think there's too much left wing dissonance

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Feminist but support women hating philosophies and cultures
LGBT friendly except for the L part
Want to make minorities feel safe except for the Jewish community
Believe in the NHS but go private when needed
Think we should continue atoning for colonialism but mention Germany and WW2 and its like....move on already
Hate unearned privilege but it's handy I'll be left a property
Applaud multiculturalism but seek out monoculturalism in my holidays
Avoid palm oil as it kills trees but I must have a Christmas tree
Eat vegan because factory farming is disgusting....except the stuff that goes into my rescue cat food
Believe women shouldn't kneel to the standards and demands of the patriarchy, but I still remove my body hair, its my choice after all

I'm pretty sure even the most die hard (?!) Tory can see that Britain is in a mess right now and we urgently need change. I support labour's vision for the economy but am worried about how society will unfold under them. I don't support their identity politics

So animal rights before human rights?

I don't agree with that at all. I'd much rather our observant Jewish communities remain than make Britain a place where it is impossible for them to practice their faith. But then I'm not an antisemite and I despise antisemitism, including that from animal rights Virtue signallers.

I don’t think Labour have policies that will bring in funding. So it’s some bad policies with gender ideology on top.

It means not having the second largest backlog of claims for asylum in Europe and not having to spend £££££ on housing and feeding claimants. Another way of freeing up money to improve public services.

I think religious communities should he free to buy in whatever meat they need from wherever they can get it but I don't agree slaughter without stunning should be legal, and yes I do believe animal rights take precedence over religious beliefs

I don’t think Labour have policies that will bring in funding. So it’s some bad policies with gender ideology on top.

That's how I see it too.

We’ll still be paying to house and process claimants, it doesn’t become free because it’s offshore

If you are suggesting it’ll be faster then traffickers will appreciate it and continue to advertise by ease so U.K. will be bumped up again as a better option

How will you deal with the resulting increase?

What is their vision for the economy? Must’ve missed it.

We’ll still be paying to house and process claimants, it doesn’t become free because it’s offshore

But not for so long. Bloody hell, this is hard work.

Here you go.

https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/Mission-Economy.pdf

Labour just openly declared that they will allow offshore asylum claims. Which means that anyone, anywhere will be able to claim asylum and then flown over. While the small boats will continue. Because the small boats are basically for economic migrants. Anyone who thinks that those coming over in small boats are fleeing persecution is incredibly naive.

So all in all, more asylum claims under labour, not fewer. Who knew that it was possible to be even worse than the Tories. But labour have a special talent for that.

Where’s the vision? This is pages upon pages of meaningless words. Everyone says they want to grow the economy. That’s not a vision. Except for those who still fall for these soundbites.

Bloody hell, this is hard work.

Funny because that’s what I think when you tag me on threads as often as you do.

In this case it sure is because you are blind to the fact that traffickers advertise by ease and your approach will increase that, and incredibly so as pressures grow

You're missing a key piece of behavioural change that means you’re falling for the unrealistic

So all in all, more asylum claims under labour, not fewer.

The number of claims doesn’t determine their success.

Errrrr yes I do.

My son competes internationally for Britain and his is a sport that's done this.

Not all sports have done yet but many have. They haven't needed government enforcement to make the right decisions.

And what boxing has done in the USA isn't affected by our government 🤔

So all in all, more asylum claims under labour

Our asylum success rate is higher than most of the EU. Traffickers know this and faster processing will be even more attractive obviously.

The numbers will grow very quickly

This thread really demonstrates that "left" and "right" have become almost irrelevant in political discussions now.

24 pages so far and barely any discussion about actual left and right-wing ideologies. Just pages and pages of arguements over niche issues, that are neither left or right in their nature, but that have co-opted by one side or the other.

Yup

Hear hear.

People are complex. And think OP is lumping together beliefs that don't automatically go together as 'left wing'. I'd describe myself as left wing in that I want redistributive tax policies and increased spending on NHS, Education etc. I'd also describe myself as socially liberal, but that's nothing to do with being left wing. Nor are views on gender politics, animal rights or green issues.

This about sums it up. The OP wasn’t anywhere near the ‘gotcha’ they thought it was. Just a jumbled list of things they don’t like. I also agree the old ‘left and right’ thing is barely relevant anymore.

If that’s the take the op has gone for fine, it’s still generated discussion

Other threads can be started

I disagree. A vote for the Tories is a vote for yet more chaos and the same rats fighting in the same sack. Let's face it, everyone knows that Sunak will be gone as leader just after the GE. And as much as it delights me to watch them destroy themselves, the country can't afford it.

If the next government tries to cede our rights to men, we will fight it. Just as we fight it now.

My issue is animal cruelty and that transcends borders imo. .

DewHopper what are your views on fishing? (I mean hobby fishing as well as trawler fishing).