To think there's too much left wing dissonance

[LefthandRight]

Feminist but support women hating philosophies and cultures
LGBT friendly except for the L part
Want to make minorities feel safe except for the Jewish community
Believe in the NHS but go private when needed
Think we should continue atoning for colonialism but mention Germany and WW2 and its like....move on already
Hate unearned privilege but it's handy I'll be left a property
Applaud multiculturalism but seek out monoculturalism in my holidays
Avoid palm oil as it kills trees but I must have a Christmas tree
Eat vegan because factory farming is disgusting....except the stuff that goes into my rescue cat food
Believe women shouldn't kneel to the standards and demands of the patriarchy, but I still remove my body hair, its my choice after all

See, that's the subtext you were looking for that wasn't there. Not my point. At all 🤣

I've never claimed they can 🤣

Laugh all you like. I will stand up to this ideology and stand up for my daughters as long as I have breath in my body. You do you.

Read harder.
That is not what I wrote.

Opposing slaughter without stunning animals first (which for the record, I oppose) and opposing FGM does not mean you are racist. See the point where I explicitly said you can oppose halal slaughter and believe in a humane approach to refugees.

These can also be torch paper issues where opposing halal slaughter can - in SOME CASES - be the issue that opens the door to them ending up with some fairly extreme viewpoints.

Not everyone. A small subset. Which is what I wrote.

People don't wake up one day and suddenly believe in sending asylum seekers to Rwanda or sinking their boats in the Med when they didn't previously - there is a process to getting there (sometimes one they are shepherded along by other people) but something makes them start in that direction. The point is that being vegan is not inherently left wing and that there can and are examples of issues like animal rights being the initial entry level issue that leads people in a very right wing direction. That doesn't mean all people end up there. A small subset.

Bit like trans rights really, in both directions. Can be the entry level cultural touchstone issue and pull people into some very odd political groupings of people with other policies they would have previously found off-putting

Good on you. Same

From your posts, you wouldn't have a clue about a balanced discussion.

The point is that being vegan is not inherently left wing and that there can and are examples of issues like animal rights being the initial entry level issue that leads people in a very right wing direction

Caring about animal welfare is not some bloody pathway to Prevent for a few rabid racist vegans! Ridiculous.

What exactly IS your point?

Laugh all you like. I will stand up to this ideology and stand up for my daughters as long as I have breath in my body. You do you.

It is narrow minded and frankly insane to vote for or against a govt based on one tiny issue. And it is a tiny issue affecting a small percentage of the population who are vulnerable and just wanting to live their lives in peace and without being victim to violence.

In my ward, right now, as I'm at work, I have patients with stage III and stage IV cancer who are unlikely to survive. These are cancers that, if caught early enough, are completely curable. The NHS has been underfunded and run down (and no I don't blame the management as that's just the true culprits scapegoating) for 13 years. Waiting lists are the highest they have ever been and all cancer targets are being missed. That's not the fault of staff, thats because this govt has fucked us over completely.

And yet there are people like you on here (luckily not seen this in real life) who will vote for more of the same because of an ideological issue that doesn't affect your lives, except in the hysterical corners of your brains. Yes, I'm angry at you. I'm angry at all the people - women - who are parading this issue as something important and neglecting the real issues that are affecting all of our society. And your daughters as well as your sons.

But crack on. Vote them jn again. Let them finish off the job of selling this country to the highest bidder. Then see what life your children have.

@daliesque, absolutely spot on. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

It's not that ridiculous.

Again not for EVERYONE. Not for you. But it is enough of an established pathway to have been studied.

Some academic papers for you:

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/13569317.2022.2138292

https://www.radicalrightanalysis.com/2020/02/14/halal-hysteria-how-outrage-about-ms-ready-meals-co-opted-radical-right-rhetoric/

Not really

except in the hysterical corners of your brains

Patronising insults are weak. Women speaking up will attract stuff like this but they should continue

Where will Labour get all this extra funding to fix the NHS anyway?

I don't see the problem? We do not subscribe to halal killing in this country. Its totally right we reject it and what it represents.

Where will Labour get all this extra funding to fix the NHS anyway?

By repriortising public spending and stopping wasting money on stunts like Rwanda and giving it away to cronies. You keep asking this question and the answer’s the same every time.

‘Hysterical’

That golden oldie. Nah keep going those who care. Grateful for those who speak up.

And it is a tiny issue affecting a small percentage of the population who are vulnerable and just wanting to live their lives in peace and without being victim to violence

This affects WOMEN. 51% of the population is not a small percentage. And yes we are vulnerable as women and yes we do want to live our lives without being victims of violence. But still over 2 women a week are killed in this country.

Transwomen are the safest demographic so I have no idea where you get your ideas that they are these tragic victims.

I am neither 'narrow minded' nor 'insane' nor 'hysterical' but thanks for the insults. They do not help your argument in any way shape or form.

What does it represent to you?

Also halal slaughter is permitted in the UK so I'm not sure what you mean by "we do not subscribe to ".

Who is "we"?

Both of the starting points of these articles are from a standpoint which does not consider animal welfare and they are utter rubbish sorry. One of them is called 'Halal Hysteria' FGS!

All of these rabid vegans you think exist are in agreement with that well known racist anti- immigrant organisation, the RSCPA and also all of those racists at the RCVS.

Not denying that the far right use this issue as a lever to generate racism, of course they do, but vegans..?

Animal rights is not inherently left wing.

Anti hunting has a large class element. Read any thread about it and a large number of posts will mention toffs and dressing up etc.
I’m not aware of any hunt saboteurs demonstrating against the wicked practice that is salmon farming

Laugh all you like. I will stand up to this ideology and stand up for my daughters as long as I have breath in my body. You do you.

Commendable.

However ..... can you tell me what the story's have done to support your fight in the past 13yrs, how they've made your life as a woman better and what they intend to do if they get in in future?

Don’t bother answering then. It’s still not convincing.

Have you decided what ‘works’ means for offshore processing yet?

"We" is the majority. "We" do not condone cruel slaughtering practices and its only right there be a backlash against what this represents , which is an attempt to impose cultural practices that run counter to our ethics for the purposes of profit.

What does it mean to live as a member of the sex opposite to their natal sex

Try answering without perpetuating a sexist Stereotype please. I don’t “live as a woman”. I AM a woman

I am pro immigration and am not racist in any way. I advocate for animal welfare is all and you are accusing me and people like me of being racist. Stop it.

@MojoMoon isn’t accusing you or people like you of anything. They’re just saying it’s possible for SOME vegans who feel strongly enough about this one issue to be led down a particular path by their strength of feeling for that one particular issue. It seems totally plausible to me, if not especially common.

Completely agree.