To think there's too much left wing dissonance

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Feminist but support women hating philosophies and cultures
LGBT friendly except for the L part
Want to make minorities feel safe except for the Jewish community
Believe in the NHS but go private when needed
Think we should continue atoning for colonialism but mention Germany and WW2 and its like....move on already
Hate unearned privilege but it's handy I'll be left a property
Applaud multiculturalism but seek out monoculturalism in my holidays
Avoid palm oil as it kills trees but I must have a Christmas tree
Eat vegan because factory farming is disgusting....except the stuff that goes into my rescue cat food
Believe women shouldn't kneel to the standards and demands of the patriarchy, but I still remove my body hair, its my choice after all

I am anti hunting and indeed anti any animal cruelty. I agree though that the class element in absolutely a factor here and so misunderstood as most of the followers of the hunt are working class blokes not rich people in hunting pink.

Why is this question never asked of the Tories?

Sunak recently cut £21bn from the UKs tax take, i don't hear people asking "Where is this money coming from?"

whether we like it or not, NHS and Dentistry will have to put on a sound footing, our economy simply cannot survive with millions of people on the sick.

So what’s the relevance then?

Follow the science is another gem. Until the science tells you that biological sex is immutable.

Yikes. You really seem to have drunk the koolaid 🤦‍♂️ picking the above section out, in particular, as science says no such thing

Yikes. You really seem to have drunk the koolaid 🤦‍♂️ picking the above section out, in particular, as science says no such thing

Doesn't it? You can actually change your biological sex? Who knew! Links would be appreciated.

I'm not going to get into it because people who don't believe that will not engage in good faith.

Can I ask you a question, in good faith? Do you truly actually believe that any male at all can declare himself to be a girl or a woman and everyone else should believe it and validate his identity?

Because that's what you're saying, with your trite "TWAW" thought terminating cliche. I don't think I really believe that you do, but interested.

If you believe that biological sex in humans is binary, then you'd also be mistaken.

She didn't say "binary" she said immutable, as you yourself quoted, but good goalpost moving!

It's binary too though. Disorders of sex development are not additional sexes.

I think socialism should go back to doing what it says on the tin - improve the material conditions of the working class. Or the less well off , underprivileged or whatever is the euphemism du jour.

Having said that , I was an early adopter of ID politics way back. We used to call it personal politic or lifestyle politics. Mea culpa , I'm shit sick of it now. Kenan Malik is very good on how culture wars always benefit the Right. Frankie Gaffney is brilliant on how divisive ID politics can be. Which led to his attempted cancellation here in Ireland - rather proving his point.

Super impressed you managed to read both academic papers, assess their arguments and research the backgrounds of the academics who wrote them and the academic journals that published them (maybe also the academic peer reviewers) in 12 minutes! I note you have since edited your original post which said the academic papers were clearly from the "far left"

For the final time: I said SMALL SUBSET. Not all vegans. Not very many of them.
But the positioning of the original poster was the being vegan was a leftwing stance (and this left wing stance was undermined by vegans going on holiday or buying Xmas trees or whatever nonsense was in the first post).

I was pointing out that there is a small but established pathway of animal rights - which is a factor that motivates many vegans to stop consuming animal products - being an entry point to developing very right wing political beliefs. A pathway sufficiently established enough to have been studied by a academics in several countries as evidenced by the papers I referred to.

Therefore the original premise that being vegan was left wing was clearly nonsense. There is nothing inherently left wing about veganism (or animal rights )- nor is there anything inherently right wing about veganism or animal rights.

I don't think slaughter without stunning should be permitted. I'm a former vegan but couldn't function without eggs (free range organic obviously). Not everything people write on the internet is directly applicable to you. Stating that some vegans are racist is not an attack on you, any more than saying some women are racist is an attack on you (I am assuming you are a woman here, apologies if you are not).

The fact you've edited your last post to take out the accusation that I was attacking people like you who believe in animal rights suggests you may be reconsidering some of what you wrote.

Have a great 2024.

Agreed. @Alcyoneus you are the absolute champions of stereotyping and sweeping generalisations about left leaning people on this thread. We are all simple one-dimensional folk: either we are deluded hobbyists or we support regimes like North Korea and Venezuela. In your world, only right wing people are allowed to be complex. It's absolutely ridiculous the amount of black/white zero sum thinking that is evident on this thread - from both sides of the political spectrum.

I think socialism should go back to doing what it says on the tin - improve the material conditions of the working class. Or the less well off , underprivileged or whatever is the euphemism du jour.

To be fair, if Labour today were genuinely socialist they wouldn't win the election. But it would be nice if they could be a bit. I'm afraid I don't see them as much different to the Tories.

I did try to edit it to say that these were from the Left rather than the far left but I couldn't manage it.

The fact is that both articles show huge bias but we shall have to agree to disagree and leave it there.

I agree with nhs but of course I went private because I could for an urgent scan which would have been months waiting even tho "emergency" on NHS

Human beings cannot change sex, and your article doesn't mention humans. 🤦‍♂️

As I've already proven with links, human biological sex is immutable. Otherwise, please provide the pathway that shows how a male can transmogrify into a female. You can't. Because there is no way a male can turn into a female. Sex is immutable. This is a fact.

So many people are doing this if they have the funds - left, right and everything in between.

The NHS sorely needs a radical overhaul and a cross party working group on the case so that it is no longer this over politicised football for politicians to attack each other with. It is failing staff and patients alike at the moment.

Just want to thank the OP for opening up such an interesting thread and have really enjoyed the many points and debates put on here.

I'm often wondering about my own disillusionment with the left and just appreciate having a lot of these thoughts picked through. 👏

It's just weird at this point isn't it? It's definitely a religion and they seem like cultists to me.

@daliesque You really think it's a 'tiny issue'? You have not been paying attention. Any male no matter how they identify, is now able to access womens sacred safe single sex spaces. ANY male. That's what this is about. Not trans people per se, but MALES in womens spaces.

My BiL is a sheep farmer, who exports to ME. All of his animals are Halal. The slaughter process is the same as non-halal except for the recording of prayers that is played.

Most Halal slaughter in the UK is done this way. It is no more or less cruel than non-Halal.

Most people make the compromises with which they feel comfortable on their principles. I agree with the first post however but as I vote Conservative and we have better principles and views than those on the left it is easier.

Vote Conservative.,

@itsgettingweird Well there is the thing about them restoring single sex wards. When women are sick, they are at their most vulnerable. So that's kind of important and a big one.

Are you saying that these sheep are stunned to unconsciousness before being bled? In the Middle East?

Halal without stunning is incredibly cruel.

https://www.rspca.org.uk/adviceandwelfare/farm/slaughter/religiousslaughter

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@daliesque You really think it's a 'tiny issue'? You have not been paying attention. Any male no matter how they identify, is now able to access womens sacred safe single sex spaces. ANY male. That's what this is about. Not trans people per se, but MALES in womens spaces.

No they aren't.

This is what's scary. People believing because they read vocal TWAW stuff in SM rights are being eroded.

Yes - there is an issue. No - the government haven't done anything to address it.

But ..... sports bodies now have transgender policies that allow only female sex born people to compete in female and everyone else competes in the male/open category.

Plenty of hotels, gyms etc give accessible keys to trans people - the issue is they complain publicly about it pulling out all the TWAW and TMAM people.

The small number of people who choose to think dressing a certain way and using certain pronouns makes them another sex is NOT affecting peoples lives daily.

Changing villages have been around long before this crap and no one seemed to care then 🤷‍♀️

Woman's rights are not being eroded in the way people want us to think they will be under Labour and that's why this argument gets no traction when everyone's rights have been eroded under Tory.

Ah yes farmers, those well known ethicists