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AIBU? Trying to unpick yesterday's upset

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DairyleaFunker · 26/12/2023 07:32

For years, DH has been put out by my family (barring my parents who he loves) joining us for Xmas lunch (which DH makes). Over the years, the extra family member has included a rotation of siblings who have addiction problems or other issues and they would otherwise be alone at Christmas but usually only one person per year would be at a loose end.

I was brought up thinking 'the season of goodwill' means you don't willingly leave people alone at Christmas unless they want to be alone.

This year, my single brother - who can have everyone on eggshells as he can suddenly raise his voice and be very confrontational (but also can be very full of festive spirit, maybe due to a bipolar diagnosis?!) -was expected and he has come for several years without any major issues.

My niece (who is not DBs daughter) is recovering from coke addiction and recently fled a new relationship in December due to discovering a worryIng history of DV found herself homeless and put into emergency accommodation. During this challenging time she seems to have resisted going back to coke and has maintained her job and working with her ex and organisations to maintain shared care with her ex of their DS (3). Her and my brother teamed up for Xmas eve and morning and had a lovely time. The plan was that they would then come to mine for around 2 hours before lunch then at lunch the DS3 would be collected by its Dad and niece would go for a work shift.

On Xmas eve I heard from my brother that nieces shift had been changed to the evening and the DS3 was being collected after our lunch. Niece doesn't drive and lives half hour taxi away so I asked him to check what her plans were now that she had new time to fill - trying to be clear that she wasnt invited to mine for longer. We left it as he would ask her to let me know and I didn't hear from them again until they arrived on Xmas morning. As we were readying for lunch, my brother loudly asked me if my niece and her DS were staying for lunch, I said that the plan was that they were going just before lunch, to which my brother raised his voice a little and said 'I didn't ask you what the plan was, I asked if they were staying'. I told him he was putting me in an awkward position and I left the room wanting to run away and hide as felt torn - do I upset my husband by letting her stay? Do I kick her out on Xmas day knowing she has nowhere to go and will have to pay for a taxi home just to come back to the area later for work? Meanwhile niece staying quiet and maybe a bit socially unaware as seemed to think she could just plonk herself in my house for the day and didn't mention or ask about changing her plans and I didn't want to spell it out to her and make her feel unwelcome at a time she is trying hard to get her life on track. My brother had to take someone home so I called him to smooth things over before his return. We argued and I told him he had railroaded me into having more people for lunch than agreed, he said I had had time to accomodate her when he told me about her plans changing and I reminded him he had said he would tell her to let me know her new timings. I told him he had raised his voice at me on xmas day in my own house which is exactly why my husband wanted a quieter Christmas as more people creates more opportunity for arguments - he said he was going to his friends house instead. I text him as we sat down for lunch to say there was space for him if he changed his mind and no further discussion was needed as it's Christmas, he didnt reply or return.

Niece and her DS stayed for lunch then the DS was collected and niece was looking to contact another family member to go to their house for a nap before night shift but they gave an excuse that she couldn't (the rest of the family on her side are horrific and selfish so I feel responsible to show her some kindness and care) so I told her she could nap in my DC room as we wouldnt use upstairs until after the time she would leave and so she did that then went to work.

DH served lunch but didn't eat, chatted with my oblivious parents and says he would eat his later to relax and enjoy it, he's never done this before and he didn't eat a dinner at all yesterday even when everyone had gone.

I know he will blame me for not eating his lunch - no doubt because he 'didn't feel comfortable in his own home' and possibly because my niece was there (but out of sight and asleep for hours).

I just don't know what I could have done, I upset my DH and my brother and felt I was stuck between a rock and a hard place and I've ended up upsetting them both. In honesty, I don't mind a busy house full at Christmas and would have 20 people for dinner but DH says my family are too volatile and he doesn't want an awkward atmosphere. He bites his tongue a lot as doesn't want to make a scene in front of the kids in Xmas day.

Should be sleeping in but woke up at 6am as can't stop thinking about it all

OP posts:
sonjadog · 26/12/2023 09:25

You do sound quite selfish to me, tbh. Everything has to be the way it is because of your opinions, your feelings. What about your DH’s? Your wants seem to be overriding his wants for Christmas every single year.

Merryoldgoat · 26/12/2023 09:26

This feels very confused to be honest.

On the one hand you say you want to make people welcome, on the other you make it awkward to accommodate your niece when things change even though she’s clearly got a tricky family dynamic.

Your brother isn’t especially pleasant but you let him in and sow discord and then get upset the very predictable stuff happens.

Your DH uses Christmas as a way to control the environment. He was being petulant not eating, accommodating a niece and small child is hardly a hardship.

The very idea she felt she’d have to leave after lunch is baffling.

Honestly - I just don’t think the dynamics here are working and you need to stop giving confusing messages.

You say in one breath that you don’t want people to be alone at Christmas, and the next describe making someone feel unwelcome. Work out what you actually want and move forward that way.

Allwelcone · 26/12/2023 09:27

@mangochops actually one of them was a child have a heart

ElevenSeven · 26/12/2023 09:27

The thing is, your family is chaotic, so chaos is ok for you; you are used to it. You don’t really see the drama as drama; you see yourself as a safe place for them all to get better and be happy. Your parents don’t even notice it all, apparently.

If your DH didn’t grow up like this, it’s chaotic, intimidating, erratic, and stressful. I’m with your DH.

Marblebunn · 26/12/2023 09:28

ElevenSeven · 26/12/2023 09:27

The thing is, your family is chaotic, so chaos is ok for you; you are used to it. You don’t really see the drama as drama; you see yourself as a safe place for them all to get better and be happy. Your parents don’t even notice it all, apparently.

If your DH didn’t grow up like this, it’s chaotic, intimidating, erratic, and stressful. I’m with your DH.

Lots seem to be missing that:

but DH says my family are too volatile and he doesn't want an awkward atmosphere

heyheyheyy · 26/12/2023 09:31

You’re in the wrong, stop inviting tornados into your house. Why on earth are you letting aggressive and/or drug addicted people in your home ie people who won’t take no for an answer? Let alone on Christmas Day where people want to unwind without theatrics. You inviting these guests really would ruin the day for others.

HarrietStyles · 26/12/2023 09:32

I think on the day (in that moment) you were not being unreasonable……… you couldn’t kick Niece and young child out right before Christmas dinner. HOWEVER it sounds like this was a build up for your husband and it pushed him over the edge and I think you are being unreasonable never letting him have the Christmas that he wants. I would apologise today “I’m sorry DH that we didn’t have the Christmas Day that you were hoping for……. Next year I promise we’ll have a really small Christmas just us, no drama, no extra family members.” ………….And just because you are apologising for your part in upsetting him, doesn’t mean that he gets a free pass for acting the martyr, sulking and refusing to eat the meal as a big point! After apologising I would also point out that this was a bit of an over action and he could have dealt with it on his side a bit more maturely.

Borth · 26/12/2023 09:33

Your family sound like something from Eastenders and I’d be wanting a quiet one too if I were your DH.

mangochops · 26/12/2023 09:34

Allwelcone · 26/12/2023 09:27

@mangochops actually one of them was a child have a heart

I do have a heart- which is exactly why I won't put my children or husband in toxic environments where chaos and criticism is the dominating feeling on Christmas Day. Sounds like absolutely noone had a good Christmas in the OP's household does it? so what exactly was the point?

Motherofacertainage · 26/12/2023 09:34

Your husband insists that you have Christmas in your home every year? This is not necessarily how you would choose to do it but as he cooks he seems like the good guy? Does he do his fair share of domestic chores and cooking the rest of the year or does he use Christmas day as a big show of what a great help he is? Did he take on all the mental load for planning the meal too? Did he contribute equally to the shopping for the food/presents for the kids? I guess I'm asking whether you have really taken on most of the stress of Christmas in which case HIBU. It sounds like it would be easier and more pleasant for you if you could go to other family members houses some years so his insurance that you stay at home seems to be part of the issue . Your dickhead brother is the other big issue. I also feel sorry for the niece and could not have done anything different than invite her. The problem with her staying for lunch was caused by your inflexible husband imho.

Allwelcone · 26/12/2023 09:34

Oh god my family has been like this in the past with my dh hating every minute of it.
Luckily for me he is really kind and hospitable.
And I have shown the same forbearance for his family when they have been a nightmare.

Op all he did was not eat his food. That's his choice. Will it now be used as evidence against you, brought up in every argument as some line in the sand?

Els1e · 26/12/2023 09:35

I think you did the right and kind thing by inviting your niece and child to stay. I’m not quite understanding your husband’s behaviour though he may have reasons for not sitting down. When Christmas and New Year are over, try and talk to your husband to understand more. He needs to be honest though. My friend’s husband does not like eating in public. He’s sociable and a genuine nice bloke. He just takes himself off when it actually comes to sitting down to eat. All his family and friends accept this is part of him and it’s all fine.

Direstraightsagain · 26/12/2023 09:35

It sounds like every year your husband asks for a quiet Christmas and you just overrule him and invite your family who don’t sound like they appreciate it. Id let your husband decide next year x

Quartz2208 · 26/12/2023 09:35

This is so difficult to untuck actually and I don’t think either of you come out well.

what is clear is that when you don’t agree on things rather than come up with a compromise you railroad over his boundaries and he sulks, blames you and becomes even more rigid in his view.

none of this is healthy - better communication, listening to each other and being a partnership. Which means finds solutions and compromising not just having your viewpoint met

Gallowayan · 26/12/2023 09:36

The shouty single for a reason brother would never be invited into my home. And the other guest the niece? is entitled and ignorant.

Yes, it's the season of goodwill, and you would want to invite people who are on their own. But they need to show goodwill, and courtesy towards their host, otherwise I would not be inviting them again.

Chilicabbage · 26/12/2023 09:37

People calling DH "a child". I too would lose appetite if

  • we had plans of who is there and when changed on arrival of them
  • we had chaotic in laws over
  • we had bil raise voice at my spouse after he intentionally created the situation
  • then bil again changing plans again
🤷
Kitchenwitchery · 26/12/2023 09:40

CapturedLeprechaun · 26/12/2023 09:15

Entirely agree with this.

You cooked and hosted. Your H sounds like a dick to me (your brother does too, if that helps 😂), but sounds like your neice is really trying to turn her life around, and your H has no sympathy for a single mum who escaped DV, is trying to turn her life around, and had to work on Xmas day, and was being a knob by refusing to eat his dinner.

Agree with this also. As you've said, it would be absolutely horrible to turf out niece and child (I bet that poor child's been through a lot!) before a lovely Christmas lunch is served. Christmas is the season of giving and as a much more privileged person in this situation than DN your husband should have more compassion and not be selfish. Especially as he is an adult and there's a child involved..

As for DB I agree with your DH there doesn't seem to be any reason he needs to be at yours. But DN and child is totally different.

gannett · 26/12/2023 09:42

I'm pro inviting waifs and strays at Xmas. But I'm anti inviting anyone who causes drama and unpleasantness. OP's brother certainly falls into the latter category. I would refuse to host him. As a grown man he can - and did! - make his own plans.

I'm unsure what OP's husband has even done wrong. He was pleasant and gracious to OP's parents, he didn't sulk or create an atmosphere himself. Not eating his food literally affects no one except himself. Sometimes when you're upset you just don't want to eat. And I don't blame him for being upset at all, given the annual nonsense OP expects him to put up with (and cook for!)

pronounsbundlebundle · 26/12/2023 09:43

HarrietStyles · 26/12/2023 09:32

I think on the day (in that moment) you were not being unreasonable……… you couldn’t kick Niece and young child out right before Christmas dinner. HOWEVER it sounds like this was a build up for your husband and it pushed him over the edge and I think you are being unreasonable never letting him have the Christmas that he wants. I would apologise today “I’m sorry DH that we didn’t have the Christmas Day that you were hoping for……. Next year I promise we’ll have a really small Christmas just us, no drama, no extra family members.” ………….And just because you are apologising for your part in upsetting him, doesn’t mean that he gets a free pass for acting the martyr, sulking and refusing to eat the meal as a big point! After apologising I would also point out that this was a bit of an over action and he could have dealt with it on his side a bit more maturely.

Edited

Agree with this.

Given the situation, you couldn't reasonably kick niece out (and for the PP saying she could have refused the change of shift, if she's trying to hold on to a job sometimes you can't) but the problem was the situation that meant that could happen. It's obviously the case that if you invite someone with a chaotic life for 'a couple of hours and not lunch' that there's a realistic chance that will change, and when it's a special day you always have to assume that the 'couple of hours' could become 'staying for lunch'.

I think you need to ask your DH if he'd like a small Xmas just your family (not even your parents) next year and if he says yes, do it. You can see other people the days before and after if you want to, but keep the day itself for your family.

Your children are barely mentioned - do they enjoy the big day being like this, their father pushed to the point of not eating the meal he's cooked? Presumably he doesn't have a lot of time to spend with them cooking for so many people too. I doubt they are enjoying this. I bet they'd like a day with just your small family where you can really spend time together and your DH can really relax.

Your parents also are weirdly silent in all this - why aren't they stepping in when your brother, their child, is causing such conflict? Perhaps they could host everyone else next year while you have a small family day? If DH and the kids don't want to leave the house on Christmas, if they're relatively local perhaps you could pop in for an hour at some point?

Emotionalsupportviper · 26/12/2023 09:43

GreatGateauxsby · 26/12/2023 07:44

Yabu.

Yes your poor DH is right your family sound horrendous. He sounds like a bloody saint

And while you love the chaos of scores of people he doesn't.

You read as though you prioritise others over him and your family due to people pleasing.

You owe him

A. A massive apology
B. A promise to have the EXACT Christmas he wants next year.

Merry fucking Christmas to him

This!

He is cooking, he is stressed by large numbers of people, he hates the drama of awkward, unpredictable relatives who kick off for no reason - do you know how exhausting this is? - and just wants a relaxed holiday with people he loves.

Treat him well today. Spoil him.

And promise him this will never happen again because you'll let him choose your guest list of relatives.

DeeLusional · 26/12/2023 09:43

Lifeasiknowitisout · 26/12/2023 07:56

@DairyleaFunker you do realise your brother didn’t ask her what her new plans were. He was sure he could shame you into accommodating your niece and her son.

He was sure you wouldn’t want to but sure he could make you. She changed her plans for pick up of the child, decided with your brother they were staying at yours and didn’t even consult you or ask herself.

She then made no firm plans for after the child was picked up and hunted until you let her sleep there. She had no intention of leaving but again, didn’t even ask you before hand.

IMO DB told niece there wouldn't be a problem.

BargainOffer · 26/12/2023 09:44

It sounds like it would be easier and more pleasant for you if you could go to other family members houses some years so his insurance that you stay at home seems to be part of the issue .

It doesn't sound as though there are many family members on OP's side capable of hosting in any case. Not her brother, certainly not the parents of the niece, and OP says her parents are too old now.

There is hardly a mention of OP's children but it's not unreasonable to want to stay at home for them to enjoy their presents, especially in such a dysfunctional family.

gannett · 26/12/2023 09:44

CapturedLeprechaun · 26/12/2023 09:15

Entirely agree with this.

You cooked and hosted. Your H sounds like a dick to me (your brother does too, if that helps 😂), but sounds like your neice is really trying to turn her life around, and your H has no sympathy for a single mum who escaped DV, is trying to turn her life around, and had to work on Xmas day, and was being a knob by refusing to eat his dinner.

OP has said multiple times that her husband cooked and cleaned up. Are we projecting our own assumptions about useless men, or can we just not read?

Eyeballpaula · 26/12/2023 09:45

I feel for you - you are stuck in the middle trying to please everyone. The sooner you except you can't please everyone, the better.

I say this as someone who hates to see people left out, to the point that I've let my kids have playdates with too many kids and birthday parties with too many guest so everyone is included. Christmas is even worse as the season of goodwill pulls on the heart strings! You can end up tying yourself in knots - I have done this to myself many times.

I would be very clear next year that you want Christmas just our immediate family and your parents.

Check out boundaried boot camp on Facebook- its got some excellent advice and setting and keeping boundaries for those who struggle.

Onceuponaheartache · 26/12/2023 09:45

Sorry to go against the grain here, but frankly your dh sounds like a dick. Refusing to eat his dinner is just ridiculous & childish and to then use it as a stick to beat you with is fucking abusive.

He was expecting dB who then didn't stay but niece did instead, fail to see the issue to be honest.

@DairyleaFunker you seem to be far to keen to people please, your dh says your family are the issue and you seek to blindly accept that, the only one creating an atmosphere in the house was your dh by being an arse.

Your dB shouldn't have tried to engineer the situation with your niece, but given he failed to talk to her after you asked him I suspect he probably told your niece it was all fine. And that was a dick move, but sounds like it was done with the best of intentions.

Your dh is the one creating an atmosphere and for you to feel like you are walking on eggshells and having to reprimand your dB.