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This is definitely Christmas cheeky fuckery isn’t it?

279 replies

KylieJennersMakeUpSponge · 21/12/2023 16:04

Foreword: yes I’m disorganised as hell and have left presents until the last minute yet again. But it is what it is.

SIL has 3 children - 2 who are now adults in their 20’s and a 9yo.

I have 2 children ages 7&10.

When i came into the family I bought for her kids jointly with DH - I knew them from when they were about 5 & 7. We stopped buying once they both went off to Uni, we felt that adulthood was a good age to stop. We always used to go for about £20 per niece.

Anyway, SIL messaged today to ask for ideas for my kids’ presents. I sent some suggestions all around the £15-£20 mark. I asked about DN aged 9. She sent some computer games all priced at £40.

So it’s been a tough year financially for various reasons, mainly due to DH’s ill health. We’ve told our kids that big extravagant presents like what we’ve given them in years before are a no-no (which they’re fine with) and DH and I aren’t buying for one another as we try and put money into savings so we can pay bills through 2024. we are budgeting to within an inch of our lives and tracking literally every penny as we do not want to get into debt. We are already in debit with our gas company.

Anyway I budgeted £10-£20 for nephews and nieces for Christmas, which was very do-able, we don’t have many. However I begrudge paying £40 and I really did have to say to SIL that it’s out of our budget and can she make some cheaper suggestions, or alternatively I can buy a second hand game from CeX.

She had replied to say that she is surprised as she is spending £40 on our children so it’s fair to spend £40 back. And that Cex only ever gives scratched games (not true, my kids have a Cex-bought PS4 and I buy all their games there, never had a problem and even if I did they do warranties on everything!).

AIBU to think that’s not how it works?!

What really pisses me off more than anything though - and I know this isn’t 9yo DN’s fault - but he is the world’s most spoilt child. He has three computer consoles - a switch, PS5 and an Xbox. He has the fancy VR headsets and all the gadgets and the latest games. They always claim they’re skint but he doesn’t go without - and in my view if he wants a certain game so badly it’s not like his only opportunity to get it is by us buying it for him! At the moment £20 is a lot to us, if I do have a spare £20 kicking about I put it towards the gas bill.

Do AIBU to think SIL is a cheeky fucker? She knows that DH has been off work most of the year and that we have less than we normally do. Or is it the case of it’s fair to spend the same amount in total no matter how many kids the other person has?

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ManateeFair · 21/12/2023 16:56

Your SIL is an absolute horror of a woman.

youneveractually · 21/12/2023 16:57

KylieJennersMakeUpSponge · 21/12/2023 16:51

Yeah our Dudley will 100% crow in front of my DC about everything he has. DH and I keep telling ourselves that we may not be able to afford 3 games consoles but at least we have well rounded children who have humility. DS wanted a Switch and DD wanted an iPhone. Broke my heart to say no as both second hand would have been achievable in the past but I just can’t stretch to it this year. We also didn’t do a Santa visit this year. I couldn’t find anything for less than a tenner per child. They took both sets of news SO well. I can’t imagine how Dudley would behave if he couldn’t get everything he wants’

why on earth are you subjecting your children and indeed yourself to this on christmas day?!

Knitgoodwoman · 21/12/2023 16:58

Who are the 10% that think you're being unreasonable!? They're the ones destroying Christmas. Some of the presents kids get these days is just outrageous and puts so much pressure on the rest.

Beautiful3 · 21/12/2023 16:58

Argh this sounds like my sister. She wanted the exact same spending on her child, as she had spent on my two. In the end she sent me £20 each child, and wanted the same back in a present. I just gave her the exact same cash back in a card. She didn't realise! It was stupid and controlling. For the following year, I suggested nothing for each others kids. I feel so much better. Just end the present buying.

youneveractually · 21/12/2023 16:58

KylieJennersMakeUpSponge · 21/12/2023 16:49

It’s completely irrelevant because this thread isn’t about what I’m spending on my kids

i know that

but you say you’re buying your own children stocking fillers

the extra spent on an ungrateful DN with a demanding mother could go towards your own children

i was trying to help!!

Lollypop701 · 21/12/2023 17:00

Honestly I would have to mention the spend on the nieces over the years… and that not working for the year has had an impact on finances so

I appreciate that you will spend more overall this Christmas, just as we did when DN were young. Anyway finances are awful this year with dh being so ill so maybe you buy for your child from us and I will do similar for mine

id also put extra salt on her meal Christmas Day 😂

TheGoogleMum · 21/12/2023 17:00

YANBU. You don't get to dictate what other people spend, and it doesn't work that you budget per family group it's per child! She should also cut you a bit of slack if she knows it's been a difficult year financially. We get games from CEX they test them out before they give you money for trade ins so they do work or they wouldn't sell them

KylieJennersMakeUpSponge · 21/12/2023 17:01

youneveractually · 21/12/2023 16:56

because if her own budget for her own children was £20 then she should say to SIL that every penny this christmas is going to her own children!!

Edited

I’m still not seeing the relevance.

Are you sure you just didn’t wanna find out how little I’d spent on my kids?

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flowerchild2000 · 21/12/2023 17:02

Yeah that was really inappropriate after you told her you couldn't do that and she kept insisting. Yuck! I hope the child is more grateful than the mother. It's hard to make a stand when it's innocent kids involved though. It's not his fault his mother is like that. We're the same this year, the only presents the kids have are from a charity, which is totally fine and they will be very happy! I'm extravagant when I can be but that's not this Christmas! My DD literally asked for a secondhand console and game too. She'll understand I can't afford it yet. A little empathy and gratefulness go a long way!

youneveractually · 21/12/2023 17:03

KylieJennersMakeUpSponge · 21/12/2023 17:01

I’m still not seeing the relevance.

Are you sure you just didn’t wanna find out how little I’d spent on my kids?

of course not!

you said you felt sad that essentially sticking fillers for your own children

the money spent towards this ungrateful family that make your children feel inferior…. could go towards bumping up their presents
so the relevance is that you should just go back and say that no presents either way because it’s been a tight year and every penny going towards own children

Tooshytoshine · 21/12/2023 17:05

KylieJennersMakeUpSponge · 21/12/2023 17:01

I’m still not seeing the relevance.

Are you sure you just didn’t wanna find out how little I’d spent on my kids?

She is being kind.

If you were spending £500 each on your kids but resented an extra twenty on hers then it would be different to your entire Xmas budget being £300.

It wasn't judgement it was understanding, I think/ hope!

Oxborn · 21/12/2023 17:05

Just get a Xbox game card he can look and buy game with it Xmas day or better still wait a day and sale is on but yes sil is definitely a CF

whynotwhatknot · 21/12/2023 17:05

she sounds grabby-theres nothing wrong with cex they test the games beforehand and if th4eres a problem you take it back

how dare she ask you that to spoil her own child

youneveractually · 21/12/2023 17:06

thank you @Tooshytoshine

correct

the op says how sad she is her own children essentially only have stocking fillers

this extra money could make a difference!

squirrelnutkin10 · 21/12/2023 17:06

Just write back and say that’s so kind of them but you don’t have that sort of budget this year and are happy for her to spend less on your children if it needs to balance.

This^

KylieJennersMakeUpSponge · 21/12/2023 17:07

youneveractually · 21/12/2023 16:57

why on earth are you subjecting your children and indeed yourself to this on christmas day?!

Because they want to see their granny and grandad and aunties and uncles. As do we. They live away from us and we hardly see them. I’m not the type to keep my kids away from family just because of one brat - surely life is about having to put up with the shit aspects a little bit rather than hide from it?

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KylieJennersMakeUpSponge · 21/12/2023 17:08

Knitgoodwoman · 21/12/2023 16:58

Who are the 10% that think you're being unreasonable!? They're the ones destroying Christmas. Some of the presents kids get these days is just outrageous and puts so much pressure on the rest.

I agree and I stay off SM around Christmas as a rule. The smug showing off drives me potty

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starsinthenightskies · 21/12/2023 17:10

I think spending £40 on nieces and nephews is crazy. Is this a normal amount to spend??

I don’t have any nieces and nephews and never will so it’s not actually an issue, but I am intrigued! I would have thought £15-£20 was more normal, that’s about how much I spend on godchildren.

momonpurpose · 21/12/2023 17:10

GenXisthebest · 21/12/2023 16:10

YANBU. I'd buy him a £20 Game voucher if they don't want second hand.

Exactly this.

youneveractually · 21/12/2023 17:10

KylieJennersMakeUpSponge · 21/12/2023 17:07

Because they want to see their granny and grandad and aunties and uncles. As do we. They live away from us and we hardly see them. I’m not the type to keep my kids away from family just because of one brat - surely life is about having to put up with the shit aspects a little bit rather than hide from it?

on christmas day those ages… personally i see nothing wrong with hiding from a horrible relative that makes my own children feel a bit shit

but do totally get the desire to also spend with beloved grandparents

FallingStar21 · 21/12/2023 17:11

This is so bad/cringe/disgusting I've trouble believing it's real!
Bad enough of her to be sending £40 suggestions and assuming you want to spend as much. But when you explained you couldn't afford, she should have been absolutely mortified and super apologetic. Should have even gone on to say, please don't worry about a gift for 'spoiled nephew' this year.
If I were you, I wouldn't be able to see past that. I'd send a short, blunt text telling her we no longer want to do gifts or associate with them again. I'd then tell my PILs we'd visit them on a different day. But that's me, I really loathe grabby, entitled, selfish humans like your SIL and her offspring. Wouldn't be a loss to never see them again.

KylieJennersMakeUpSponge · 21/12/2023 17:11

Tooshytoshine · 21/12/2023 17:05

She is being kind.

If you were spending £500 each on your kids but resented an extra twenty on hers then it would be different to your entire Xmas budget being £300.

It wasn't judgement it was understanding, I think/ hope!

I’m definitely not spending £1000 on the kids 😂 if only!

We did budget for nieces and nephews. We also told our parents we wouldn’t be buying for them as any Christmas money has to go to kids. I couldn’t in good conscience not but 9yo DN a present when his parents have bought for our kids, and when we’ve bought for other nieces and nephews. He drives me loopy but I’m not a complete cow

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KylieJennersMakeUpSponge · 21/12/2023 17:12

youneveractually · 21/12/2023 17:06

thank you @Tooshytoshine

correct

the op says how sad she is her own children essentially only have stocking fillers

this extra money could make a difference!

By stocking fillers I mean painting sets, pens, crafts, some clothes, books, footballs etc. as in no ‘main’ present like we would normally get

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youneveractually · 21/12/2023 17:13

sounds great OP!

Bumblebeestiltskin · 21/12/2023 17:13

GenXisthebest · 21/12/2023 16:10

YANBU. I'd buy him a £20 Game voucher if they don't want second hand.

This would be my suggestion too!