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girlfriend44 · 2023-12-20T18:18:28+00:00

Two teenagers found guilty today of murdering Brianna last Feb. The murder was plotted on their phones. Discussed between them. The girl had a note in her bedroom found on the floor, of the murderous Plan. The girl had downloaded the dark Web on her phone and was watching violence and gore and was obsessed with serial killers. Where are the parents in all of this? They just seemed to have no idea of what their teens are up to and what they are watching? Parents are paying for the phone, no doubt, shouldn't they take more interest. What started out as buying a little payg phone so you could contact your child on the way to and from school has gone way too far. It's horrible out there what's going on? Rip Brianna. We have a real problem that people are being evil so young, Also shied been expelled from previous school lovely young lady. She came to Briannas school and identified her as vulnerable, makes you wonder if there should be more safeguarding too? If your expelled from school, why should another school want you. In this case it proved fatal.

magicmole · 21/12/2023 12:44

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/12/2023 21:22

I'm 66 years old. I once looked for the dark web, for no other reason than I was curious how you find it.

It's really not difficult to access the so called "dark web" especially for tech savvy young people. She simply had the TOR browser on her phone. I have only ever used it to look at a legal but controversial website but obviously the same technology is available for everyone. And sometimes it's used by people with good reasons, for eg to whistle blow when they live in oppressive regimes which monitor and restrict internet use.

I sometimes have to access sites that are in Hong Kong and mainland China. They're all perfectly legal (think official government and media sites) but there's no way I'd visit any PRC website without going through Tor.

Dotjones · 21/12/2023 12:54

Anyone who is shocked or surprised that a teenager would know how to get on the dark web is showing a worrying amount of ignorance. Especially if they are a parent. Last time I checked, all you needed was Tor, a browser based on Firefox. OK you might have to poke around a little bit for the worst kind of material, but that's true on the "normal" web as well.

The "dark" part of "dark web" just means that it's hidden from view on the "normal" web. Think of it as like the "dark side of the moon" - it's not actually dark, it gets the same amound as sunlight as the side we see, it's just that it's hidden from our view unless we use particular equipment.

There is plenty of legitimate stuff on the dark web, the BBC for instance:
https://www.bbcnewsd73hkzno2ini43t4gblxvycyac5aw4gnv7t2rccijh7745uqd.onion/

(A link which won't work in a normal browser, to make my point.)

Flowers4me · 21/12/2023 13:34

SoMuchSimpler · 20/12/2023 19:17

He was diagnosed with autism some time after the murder. She was described as having 'autistic traits'.

I'm autistic (diagnosed in my 50s), my DM is autistic, both my DCs are autistic and one of my DGS is awaiting assessment.

In my opinion 'Boy Y' lied throughout his testimony and played the 'autistic card', almost as if he'd been coached on what to say. His testimony's available online and it's very clearly that of someone who knows something about autism but doesn't actually have experience of the 'symptoms' he's describing. If nothing else his apparent self-awareness and knowledge of the effects it has on him are extremely unlikely for a young teenager with autism, particularly when they've only recently been diagnosed.

He's a liar, simple as that.

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My thoughts too. I have a ND family and have worked with ND people; this is not a behaviour I have noticed. Whatever the reasons, this is a very tragic case and thoughts go to Brianna's family and friends at this sad time.

Notmetoo · 21/12/2023 13:52

girlfriend44 · 20/12/2023 18:23

Parents surely need to show some interest though?

They bought the phones. It dosent look likely this would have happened if they hadn't been able to message. The whole plan was decided by message it seems.

If they were that determined I am sure they would have found a way . They could have communicated in other ways

teaandtoastwithmarmite · 21/12/2023 14:54

Yes but that's not the same

Boomboom22 · 21/12/2023 15:03

I think this shows what happens when we allow kids with sen to do whatever they want, excuse all bad behaviour as due to autism and don't require adaptation to society. It is not good parenting to say oh their brain works differently/ they don't understand. And schools are not allowed to expell people anymore, a managed move is the end usually. The safety of others comes so far below inclusion it leads to things like this. Both these teens should have been monitored very closely, I think their sen masked what were truly murderous impulses written off as communication difficulties. Perhaps the girls sen is actually psychopathy and she was not diagnosed. Technically aspd now.

brainworms · 21/12/2023 15:07

Boomboom22 · 21/12/2023 15:03

I think this shows what happens when we allow kids with sen to do whatever they want, excuse all bad behaviour as due to autism and don't require adaptation to society. It is not good parenting to say oh their brain works differently/ they don't understand. And schools are not allowed to expell people anymore, a managed move is the end usually. The safety of others comes so far below inclusion it leads to things like this. Both these teens should have been monitored very closely, I think their sen masked what were truly murderous impulses written off as communication difficulties. Perhaps the girls sen is actually psychopathy and she was not diagnosed. Technically aspd now.

This, 1000000%.

It's hard being in a world meant for neurotypical people, but being neurodivergent doesn't give anyone a pass to be violent.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/12/2023 15:09

I don't think either of them had a diagnosis of ASD before the crime though. I don't know if they were generally regarded as ND by the school and their parents etc.

Boomboom22 · 21/12/2023 15:10

All the parents saying their autistic children are not violent. Ok, but many are, we hear on mn of teens attacking their parents and siblings, we all had our kids removed from classes while chairs are thrown around and ultimately as teachers we all know the rules no longer apply to violence if it is a sen child.
The right to an education has been taken to the extreme in most primary schools to the point it is detrimental to others, then in secondary most spend a lot of time out of lessons.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/12/2023 15:11

In their messages read out in court, it seems to be speculated between the two of them that the boy was possibly autistic but I don't think it was mentioned for the girl.

TeaAndStrumpets · 21/12/2023 18:59

Author Anne Perry was convicted of murder when she was 15. She and her friend plotted to kill her friend's Mum. I think sometimes teens can get involved in awful stuff whatever their background.

coffeandrteav · 21/12/2023 20:55

Boomboom22 · 21/12/2023 15:03

I think this shows what happens when we allow kids with sen to do whatever they want, excuse all bad behaviour as due to autism and don't require adaptation to society. It is not good parenting to say oh their brain works differently/ they don't understand. And schools are not allowed to expell people anymore, a managed move is the end usually. The safety of others comes so far below inclusion it leads to things like this. Both these teens should have been monitored very closely, I think their sen masked what were truly murderous impulses written off as communication difficulties. Perhaps the girls sen is actually psychopathy and she was not diagnosed. Technically aspd now.

The ignorance on this thread is staggering.

Neither were allowed to get away with anything for their SEN. They were both diagnosed in custody! Sonot sure how her SEN masked her murderous impulses. She was found to have traits of ASD so not actually ASD anyway.

Yes Mr. Swift is using it ' as an excuse' not to name them. However this didn't happen as SEN kids are allowed to get away with things. Sheesh

coffeandrteav · 21/12/2023 20:57

TeaAndStrumpets · 21/12/2023 18:59

Author Anne Perry was convicted of murder when she was 15. She and her friend plotted to kill her friend's Mum. I think sometimes teens can get involved in awful stuff whatever their background.

Exactly!

It is also like pp have forgotten all the NTs who have killed their families, abuse their children and bully at school.

But yea its the SEN kids who get away with it.

Newyearnamechangehere · 21/12/2023 21:11

Anne Perry had a weird early life didn't she, ill and sent away to the Bahamas with a foster family and then reunited with her family in NZ, then due to be sent away again when her parents were getting divorced. I've always been interested but there's very little recorded she ever said about there murders.

Gran0laG1rl · 21/12/2023 21:33

Boomboom22

Your post is utter bullshit.

Gran0laG1rl · 21/12/2023 21:36

Children with autism are more likely to be on the receiving end of violence and bullying.

LonelynSad · 21/12/2023 21:38

Naptrappedmummy · 20/12/2023 18:20

There have always been evil young people, sadly it’s a fringe of human behaviour that is usually only exposed when they kill somebody. Let’s not blame the parents. May Brianna rest in peace.

Of course the parents are partly responsible for how their child has turned out! Goodness me

AN358 · 21/12/2023 22:03

If any of those parents had ever picked up their teenage children's phones & had a zip through it-most likely that poor child would still be alive. It was all there in black & white,especially on Girl Y's phone.
Too many parents have decided that the little gadget that can connect to everything bad in the entire world should be entirely in their children's control and they don't make it clear to their teen that at any point they may look at it-it is not for privacy. Your teen shouldn't be writing anything to anybody that you shouldn't be 'allowed' to see.
I said 'most likely' rather than definitely at the start because of course in the past teens could plan awful things face to face. But it's undeniable that this was all made so much easier with phones.
I bet the parents of X &Y would do anything if they could go back in time and be monitoring the phones.
Or if anyone had actually informed Parents X of the supposedly 'common knowledge' their daughter was obsessed with torture and had a 'kill list.' (If they knew this & did nothing,well words fail me)

Lougle · 21/12/2023 22:08

The thing I can't get out of my mind was girl X's instruction to Brianna, "Buy a child single ticket to Culcheth.", and the fact that Brianna messaged her Mum to tell her she was on the bus and anxious, but her Mum encouraged her for being brave. It's chilling, given the context of the events that followed.

It's a long time for everyone to wait for the sentencing.

coffeandrteav · 21/12/2023 22:31

AN358 · 21/12/2023 22:03

If any of those parents had ever picked up their teenage children's phones & had a zip through it-most likely that poor child would still be alive. It was all there in black & white,especially on Girl Y's phone.
Too many parents have decided that the little gadget that can connect to everything bad in the entire world should be entirely in their children's control and they don't make it clear to their teen that at any point they may look at it-it is not for privacy. Your teen shouldn't be writing anything to anybody that you shouldn't be 'allowed' to see.
I said 'most likely' rather than definitely at the start because of course in the past teens could plan awful things face to face. But it's undeniable that this was all made so much easier with phones.
I bet the parents of X &Y would do anything if they could go back in time and be monitoring the phones.
Or if anyone had actually informed Parents X of the supposedly 'common knowledge' their daughter was obsessed with torture and had a 'kill list.' (If they knew this & did nothing,well words fail me)

But snap chat deletes messages so how could a parent read them the police got them back.

The policeman in the podcast said she didn't even speak to her boyfriend the way she spoke to Boy Y. It was well hidden.

That's not to say there isn't anything in her past where bad parenting has occurred. I don't know. But just checking her phone wouldn't have stopped this.

zaazaazoo · 21/12/2023 22:51

girlfriend44 · 20/12/2023 18:23

Parents surely need to show some interest though?

They bought the phones. It dosent look likely this would have happened if they hadn't been able to message. The whole plan was decided by message it seems.

You do realise don't you that young people virtually live on their phones and parents really do not know what they are doing in them. I'm not sure how old your dc are but if you think you'll know what your teens are up to you are deluded

aie · 22/12/2023 00:53

Violence NEVER emerges out of nowhere.
The mascus, the right-wingers, etc. (in short, people who don't want to read psychology and sociology) love to support the idea that psychopaths are born that way. A nature. A gene. This allows them to NOT have to be aware of how we create a violent being, and by extension, of what they themselves suffered as children in terms of betrayal, mistreatment and emotional neglect to have become adults who praise weapons, repression, discipline, the established order, in short, everything that precisely violates us.
They become the apostles of #denial because they do not want to know what happened to them as children.

In this case, children who develop interests in death, suffering, torture, and who eventually begin to experiment with it on living beings (human or non-human) do not come out of nowhere either. go. We know thanks to psychology (trauma, children abuse, torture,...) that they certainly are children who have experienced things serious enough to be emotionally very seriously marked, to develop these obsessions and these needs to act out (with sadistic enjoyment, etc.) to finally feel like they exist, feel like they are alive.
In short, it is an emotional functioning that is built (through severe mistreatment).

=> So yes, there is a 99.99% chance that the parents are psychopathic themselves and tortured these children.
In the social goal of understanding violence and helping / neutralizing / putting away people who harm others, these should at least be analyzed during the trial, and family taboos on mistreatment are omnipresent children, revealed.

I am not for punishments because it is counterproductive but for high-performance psychological care and isolation from society for people who are locked in this dangerous emotional state.

For the record, we are all "ordinary psychopaths" (as Alice Miller spoke of) since we are against cruelty towards animals...but we eat them without scruples. And we love seeing their flesh broken down and cooked in a thousand ways... while a very small part of our mind knows that there is a problem, that there is torture behind it... but we do not listen to him. That's psychopathy.

The difference is that we are free to decide to stop harming animals overnight, whereas these children are stuck in psychopathic patterns with no possibility of getting out of them (because that would require that they expose themselves emotionally, make themselves vulnerable through compassion, altruism, which are skills that require a lot of courage - because it is stressful to open up to the suffering of others). ...And they don't have these emotional resources in them because of everything they've been through that's broken them.

justteanbiscuits · 22/12/2023 00:58

@aie " So yes, there is a 99.99% chance that the parents are psychopathic themselves and tortured these children."

That is the wildest conjecture I think I've ever heard!

littlebopeepp234 · 22/12/2023 04:31

Boomboom22 · 21/12/2023 15:10

All the parents saying their autistic children are not violent. Ok, but many are, we hear on mn of teens attacking their parents and siblings, we all had our kids removed from classes while chairs are thrown around and ultimately as teachers we all know the rules no longer apply to violence if it is a sen child.
The right to an education has been taken to the extreme in most primary schools to the point it is detrimental to others, then in secondary most spend a lot of time out of lessons.

The difference is, children with autism and ADHD attack due to an angry outburst out of frustration and their way of dealing with it is to attack - these outbursts are usually spur of the moment knee jerk reactions to something they are not happy about. However, the teens who committed this disgusting murder took time to plot what they were going to do in a very cold, callous and calculated way with absolutely no remorse then refused to take accountability for their actions and instead each one blamed the other - that sort of plot to murder and getting a thrill out of it is the work of a psychopath not just a teen with symptoms of autism.

Generally autistic people wouldn’t plot such a cruel attack and have no remorse or guilt. I would say if an autistic person was to commit murder then it would be more to do with an angry outburst at that time rather than a cruel, twisted evil plot. Many autistic individuals do show remorse and feel bad for their actions once they have calmed down. A psychopath doesn’t. So while they may show symptoms of autism, I don’t believe their actions were brought on just because of autism and I feel there is something much more deep and disturbing going through their minds.

clingon1012 · 22/12/2023 04:38

It's an extremely sad case and I can't say whether it was preventable, but you can't blame the parents for "buying the phones and not checking what they're up to". The "kids" were 15 at the time of the murder - most parents would not be checking up on their kids when they're that age unless they have a reason to be worried which perhaps they didn't as their kids never showed anything on the exterior?