Brianna Ghey.

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Two teenagers found guilty today of murdering Brianna last Feb.

The murder was plotted on their phones. Discussed between them. The girl had a note in her bedroom found on the floor, of the murderous Plan.

The girl had downloaded the dark Web on her phone and was watching violence and gore and was obsessed with serial killers.

Where are the parents in all of this?
They just seemed to have no idea of what their teens are up to and what they are watching?

Parents are paying for the phone, no doubt, shouldn't they take more interest.

What started out as buying a little payg phone so you could contact your child on the way to and from school has gone way too far.

It's horrible out there what's going on?

Rip Brianna. We have a real problem that people are being evil so young,

Also shied been expelled from previous school lovely young lady.
She came to Briannas school and identified her as vulnerable, makes you wonder if there should be more safeguarding too?

If your expelled from school, why should another school want you. In this case it proved fatal.

I doubt they are being indulged or love bombed by their parents. Probably ignored.

"You don't agree therefore you can't be a parent" is an old comment - one that is trotted out again and again to negate the views of someone who doesn't agree with you. It means it's unoriginal.

I was shocked by those messages. What on earth were they watching or listening to, for them to plot killing numerous people - let alone actually do it.

I think it’s both. It’s much easier for parents to take the love bomb approach, not tell them off, blame their behaviour on something else, say it’s the school’s fault or the fault of other students. It’s a lazy approach because it means deflecting their kids behaviour and effectively dumping them on society.

At 15 there's parental responsibility. That means having an interest in what your children get up to and taking responsibility for them. Where was the parental responsibility here? They were both arrested at their parents homes, one home of which concealed a hunting knife and blood soaked clothing, the other a detailed murder plan. And the parents were clueless. But yeah don't blame the parents for not having a clue what their children got up to eh....

Totally agree Chocolatebuttonns. My dd has adhd and asd and I also cringed when they mentioned both were on the spectrum (also that they were recently diagnosed, how convenient). The fact that these two were on the spectrum is no excuse whatsoever, it was a premeditated, calculated, brutal murder, poor Brianna was stabbed about 12 times! Her murderers are two are very disturbed evil individuals and any additional need they have is of no relevance. Will be interesting to see what kind of sentence they get.

RIP Brianna so grateful your family have got justice

Always really easy to blame the parents in all of this but teenagers are a minefield to parent. I know I was a little twat as a teenager and I don’t necessarily blame my parents parenting, I was just out of control for a couple of years. Granted, I didn’t do anything heinous like this but I really don’t think it’s always the parents fault. You can’t keep teens under lock and key or constant surveillance. I’m hazarding a guess their parents didn’t know their children planned to murder someone.

This.

Well yes and no. I agree re the knife. I think anyone buying a knife for a 14 year old is crazy.
However a scribbles note on a floor. We don't know how long that has been there.
I don't think we know enough about their upbringing to judge. Again its a lazy approach blame the parents, blame the phones. So much more than this.

Ahhhhh. Lost in translation.

When you said “old” I read it as the poster was old, not in the “old adage” way.

You're being very naive. She can Google how to do that.

TOR was on her phone

I think the boy said that he spent all his time in his room on his computer and rarely spoke to his parents.

There was no mention of drugs, and whether girl A and boy Y had ever taken them, but it was interesting that Brianna went out thinking she was going to take cocaine. Is that common amongst 15-year-olds? The idea of that seem to clash with the fact she didn't like going outside.

You are right, of course. And I suspect there will be fairly significant agency involvement with those families moving forward, assuming they have other children. But obviously, we'll never know about that.

I have brought up my own children and two of my grandchildren. There will always be bad and cruel children whose behavioural traits are exacerbated by meeting a similar character who reinforces their behaviours as normal.

My gs2 was subjected to terrible cruelty in his first years at secondary school. Everyone knew about this pupil but nothing was done until I went to the police myself. He was excluded for three days only and when I spoke to the Head, she made the excuse she was not in possession of the full facts at the time of her decision and behaved in an angry, aggressive manner toward me as though I had done something wrong.

What chilled me was the list of five other pupils who they had targetted. I cannot get it out of my head whose children were on that. They need to be locked up for public safety reasons for a long, long time. No excuses and their evidence in court, the arrogance and self preservation hoping they could not pinpoint the individual culprit stood out for me. Their evidence was nonsense and I am so pleased the jury came to a swift verdict avoiding an over christmas wait.

Your reality of parenting teens will be different from another parent, to dismiss someone else's experience is purely BS.

I suppose it depends on why she was excluded (is that still the correct terminology?)

It doesn't matter why she was excluded, she will be allowed an education and more often than not the teachers in the school will not be aware of the reasons behind the exclusion.

The press says they both come from comfortable middle class homes but what does that mean and why is it significant? I know a couple of people of that background whose parents were so neglectful, who lived in beautiful houses that were like pig styes but the kids weren’t seen as neglected just because the family was wealthy.

100% the correct decision. The verdict was never in doubt with the evidence put forward. It was an absolute horrific attack. Need to now name and shame the two culprits, like they did with James Bulger's killers, and get a psychiatrist to analyse the pair and try and get to the root of their wicked complexes.

The scum will be named at sentencing on February 2nd next year.

Have they actually confirmed the pair will be named and shamed?

Seriously? Children do literally have the right to an education. Plenty of children that are expelled from school go on to thrive in another environment, what would your alternative be? Lebel them naughty remove all input and pretend they don't exist? I'm sure that would work well in reducing crime and social issues.... for goodness sake OP.

Have they actually confirmed the pair will be named and shamed?

Yes. The judge said she was aware that it was going to cause distress to the defendant's families.