Brianna Ghey.

[girlfriend44]

Two teenagers found guilty today of murdering Brianna last Feb.

The murder was plotted on their phones. Discussed between them. The girl had a note in her bedroom found on the floor, of the murderous Plan.

The girl had downloaded the dark Web on her phone and was watching violence and gore and was obsessed with serial killers.

Where are the parents in all of this?
They just seemed to have no idea of what their teens are up to and what they are watching?

Parents are paying for the phone, no doubt, shouldn't they take more interest.

What started out as buying a little payg phone so you could contact your child on the way to and from school has gone way too far.

It's horrible out there what's going on?

Rip Brianna. We have a real problem that people are being evil so young,

Also shied been expelled from previous school lovely young lady.
She came to Briannas school and identified her as vulnerable, makes you wonder if there should be more safeguarding too?

If your expelled from school, why should another school want you. In this case it proved fatal.

I think you are living in a fantasy land if you think this wasn't a thing years ago. Mary Bell killed two toddlers. She was 11. In 1960. 15 year old's have been killing people since the beginning of time. Most 15 year old's would never dream of doing this. Some of them are broken and violent. YOu cant monitor a 15 year olds phone every 5 minutes. There are whole swathes of the day when they are not even in the same house as you.

What's how it's written got to do with what happened?
Made you feel better did it, thinking you were more intelligent than me?

Two evil cunts murdered a teenager and plotted it all on their phones, then denied it all.

Say it how you want. Most know the case anyway.

Agree, the girl had been expelled for doing something to another pupil at her previous school. Why was she allowed just to move schools with no risk assessment done?

There would have been lots of risk assessing and Safeguarding checks done. But as pp said, children are entitled to be placed in a different school if permanently excluded from another. The new school aren't responsible for what their students do outside of school, it's not their fault.

Both had additional needs as reported on BBC news.

@girlfriend44 do you have a 16 year old?

I am under absolutely no illusions that when my kids are 16 I won’t be able to read every single message they send - where’s the line between allowing them privacy?

this isn’t their parents fault

Don’t put words in my mouth, @girlfriend44
The thread I linked is a better tone and more respectful in general and looks at more relevant issues and themes than the third old trope of blaming the latest fad.

Op, the BBC is on the dark web and has various explainers on how it works.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-50150981

Obvs not enough safeguarding done.

Why have you the right to go to another school?
Why should they want other schools rejects?

I'm 66 years old. I once looked for the dark web, for no other reason than I was curious how you find it. I failed entirely. I am so sorry for Brianna and her parents, and for the parents of her killers.
But we need to stop making excuses constantly for badly behaved children. The more excuses we make, the more boundaries they break. We are failing the children when we excuse their behaviour.

Mumsnet has always advocated AGAINST looking at teenagers phones deeming it as a violation of privacy. I’ve seen so many threads of people aghast at the very notion of trying to find out what teenagers are up to. I’m going to guess the perpetrators parents were of the same mindset.

They were 15. Parents need to take responsibility they bought the phones.
Otherwise expect more horrible stuff in the news.

Safe guarding doesn't mean having access to a crystal ball. Your ranting is just making you come across as dim.

If they hadn't plotted it on phones then the family computer may have been used, where there's a will....

Unlikely. Even then they used to say the computer should be in a family room
People are all hidden away today messaging all sorts.

Why 'unlikely'?

You cannot possibly know every teens habits

And who is 'they'?

So what’s your plan then? You seem to think you have all the answers

They were dim thinking nobody would find out.

Oh fgs, no they don’t need to take responsibility. At 15 they’re not small children, I know it’s fashionable to infantilise young people until they’re 28 but they were old enough to know what they were doing was wrong and did it anyway. Do you think every parent who buys their kid a phone is responsible for everything that ensues from it? Every message they send, every website they visit? Raising children isn’t as a simple as what you put in is what you get out. They have the whole world around them and beyond as their primary influence these days.

Of course. That goes without saying, surely?

It's an unpopular fact, but some people are just genuinely born bad and there's nothing that can be done about it.

If we're lucky, they go down the non-violent route and turn into hedge fund managers or something, but there is the unidentifiable 0.001% who murder people.

That's humans for you.

@girlfriend44 your own DC will have phones one day.... how will you manage that?

Also shied been expelled from previous school lovely young lady.

Why have you the right to go to another school?
Why should they want other schools rejects?

Brianna had also recently been excluded from school.

What would have been your solution?

I do find it hard that additional needs is given - I think this should be better explained whenever reported. Like how exactly was it relevant?