Brianna Ghey.

[girlfriend44]

Two teenagers found guilty today of murdering Brianna last Feb.

The murder was plotted on their phones. Discussed between them. The girl had a note in her bedroom found on the floor, of the murderous Plan.

The girl had downloaded the dark Web on her phone and was watching violence and gore and was obsessed with serial killers.

Where are the parents in all of this?
They just seemed to have no idea of what their teens are up to and what they are watching?

Parents are paying for the phone, no doubt, shouldn't they take more interest.

What started out as buying a little payg phone so you could contact your child on the way to and from school has gone way too far.

It's horrible out there what's going on?

Rip Brianna. We have a real problem that people are being evil so young,

Also shied been expelled from previous school lovely young lady.
She came to Briannas school and identified her as vulnerable, makes you wonder if there should be more safeguarding too?

If your expelled from school, why should another school want you. In this case it proved fatal.

OP how do you think that it is remotely possible to know what teens are looking at on their phones 24/7?

Nokia 3210 would do it.

It is so obvious you do not have teenage children. Please come back when you have a teenager and tell me you check their phone everyday and read all their messages. You can't simply blame the parents. You know nothing about them.

In the modern age, @SoMuchSimpler
There's no point harking back to previous decades, and previous phone types - we need to deal with what kids are realistically using now

I actually hate that this was mentioned because having "additional needs" or ADHD, Autism and selective mutism, is neither a reason not an excuse for murder. People who have ADHD and autism already face enough shit without it being associated with murder.

i'm actually furious this has been given almost as a 'reason' why they did it. They did it because they're sickos. My child has both autism and ADHD and he's not a violent little shit, and I guarantee you that these two were probably allowed to get away with all sorts before it escalated to the extent it did.

It really makes me very very worried for my child going into high school.

They only use them if you buy them!

And apparently I meant Nokia 3310. 'The icon is back'.

https://www.nokia.com/phones/en_gb/nokia-3310?sku=A00028120

I have said similar on many other threads.

No child needs a smart phone. Just one that makes calls and can text out.
All the other stuff is unnessercary.

Most psychopaths, murderers and sociopaths don't come from secure loving homes.
They don't evolve in a vacuum
I really doubt the lack of phone supervision was the issue here

Plus you can show and interest in your teens phone use but I doubt you'd get very far.

If you're going to be so rude and superior, you should at least make sure you post a link that works!

A lotof ignorance from @girlfriend44

Agree it is clear op dose not have teenagers.

Snap chat deletes messages, anyone can delete messages and they do. Luckily the police got access to them.

Would many parents even know what to look for in the onion browser? They can also use incognito.

Checking a phone is not some magical bastion. If a teen knows they are having it checked. It will be deleted or used in hidden apps.
Way too simplistic to blame the parents. There are so many other variables.

As for the poster saying did they know where their kids were? Yes they all probably thought they were just hanging out in the park on a Saturday afternoon. It was hardly unsociable hours.

Poor Brianna.

How do you know girl x was expelled from a previous school for hurting another child before moving to the school Brianna attended

I think Boy Y was given a lift there by his mum? Girl X lived near the park, and Brianna's mum knew exactly where she was going and who with, Brianna had even messaged to say she was on the bus.

And nobody expects murder in a country park in a semi-rural part of Cheshire.

I'm 66 years old. I once looked for the dark web, for no other reason than I was curious how you find it.

It's really not difficult to access the so called "dark web" especially for tech savvy young people. She simply had the TOR browser on her phone. I have only ever used it to look at a legal but controversial website but obviously the same technology is available for everyone. And sometimes it's used by people with good reasons, for eg to whistle blow when they live in oppressive regimes which monitor and restrict internet use.

Not having a mobile or having to use a family pc wouldnt stop it. People have always found ways to communicate.

Hell as a 13 year old I managed to be chatting away on the family pc in the livingroom to people across the U.K. and America. Dark web is not hard to get into at all. One quick Google and a reception child could do it these days.

Bad people are bad people. People have always tried to play movies and video games and now mobiles. Remember how gta is the devils work and everyone’s going to go out killing prostitutes just because of it. Fortnite is this years or lasts omg game.

If someone wants to find gore they will, same as underage kids even of yesteryear finding porn and sharing it round the playground from daddies or grandads stash. Yes it’s easier now but people who kill like this are the ones who would find it anyway.

@FrippEnos & @SoMuchSimpler I'm just curious - do you have teens? Because you seem very divorced from the actual reality of parenting teens these days

I have had teens (the last one was 8 years ago now). I've currently got a teen family member at Brianna's school.

The constant negative messaging from vocal anti trans activists, amplified by the right wing press and populist politicians is likely to have been a significant contributer to this tragedy too. They seem to have gone rather quiet suddenly.

@SoMuchSimpler 8 years ago, 2015, is a lifetime ago in technological & parenting terms. It is now largely expected for children to have smartphones from age 11 / Year 7 now. I certainly don't agree with it, but it is very difficult to almost impossible to go against this.

I am curious how the parents of your teen family member deal with the issue of phones

No, there was no anti-trans involvement in this. The remarks made by Boy Y were just stupid teenage rubbish. He had no interest either way. Girl X was very accepting.

And despite what people may have read in national media, Brianna's and Girl X's school have no particular problem with people being trans. My family member at the school laughs at any suggestion of it. They're a bit disparaging about kids they've known suddenly deciding they're 'gender-fluid' but these things sort themselves out without any of the angst or hatred that 'adults' get themselves worked up into.

This pair of teenagers appear to be psychopaths. They would have found ways of doing things without phones. Look at what happened to Jamie Bulger. That was pre phones, pre common internet usage.

Rest in peace Brianna. Such a tragic loss of a young lady.

I think you have a very naïve and rose-tinted view of the past.

They are the Mary Bell/John Venables/Robert Thompson of today. There have always been children who murder and plot to murder other children. History would suggest that not having a mobile phone is no barrier to murdering another child. History would suggest that fear of getting into trouble with your parents has never been a universal truth.

What these children did was utterly appalling but it is not a modern-day phenomenon. Suggesting that mobile phones are at the root of this evil is simply a way of picking an easy and convenient answer at the expense of the truth.

I mean nobody has mentioned that Boy Y's father bought him a dangerous hunting knife at 14. But yea it's the phones.

What does this square tip mean, please? How do you do this?