Brianna Ghey.

[girlfriend44]

Two teenagers found guilty today of murdering Brianna last Feb.

The murder was plotted on their phones. Discussed between them. The girl had a note in her bedroom found on the floor, of the murderous Plan.

The girl had downloaded the dark Web on her phone and was watching violence and gore and was obsessed with serial killers.

Where are the parents in all of this?
They just seemed to have no idea of what their teens are up to and what they are watching?

Parents are paying for the phone, no doubt, shouldn't they take more interest.

What started out as buying a little payg phone so you could contact your child on the way to and from school has gone way too far.

It's horrible out there what's going on?

Rip Brianna. We have a real problem that people are being evil so young,

Also shied been expelled from previous school lovely young lady.
She came to Briannas school and identified her as vulnerable, makes you wonder if there should be more safeguarding too?

If your expelled from school, why should another school want you. In this case it proved fatal.

Yes only well educated feminists are able to express their ideas and thoughts in any meaningful and acceptable way right?

The snobbery on this website beggars belief at times.

I think YANBU to wonder how they arrived at 15 so warped and broken that they were ready to plan and execute this murder. It wasn't a spur of the moment "impulsive" thing, this was two people with an obsession with murder.
The parents shouldn't have let the children see true crime shit on the TV at such a young age.

The parents should have known where their kids were and what they were doing.

The parents should have brought their children up not to go round planning to kill people and to respect people who were different.

Because while the actions and motivations came from the children, children are a collection of the beliefs, influences and experiences that they have soaked up from everyone around them. And fundamentally, that comes from the parents and what they allow their children to be exposed to.

Parents usually know when their children have additional needs long before diagnosis, even if they don't know what specific diagnosis they'll be given. Due to the (well known) lack of support in this country for SEN children, parents have to take responsibility for actually protecting their SEN children from dangerous influences and ensuring they turn out ok. They're not in complete control of the outcome, but they have enough influence over the early years to make a big difference. Both children were described as having "autistic tendencies" and autistic children have special interests that everyone around them knows about. What did the parents do to redirect their children's macabre interests into something less detrimental from an early age? What did they do to teach them the difference between fantasy and reality, a line many ND people can't see (myself included, as a child)?

You see it all the time on here, people who wake up surprised their teenager is an awful person, and they just cannot see all the junctions before this moment when they could have averted this by parenting better.

So I think the parents did have a role to play here. But I'm not sure it was the phone use that they needed to regulate. These kids started down this path a long time before that.

Homework is set via app at our school. I don’t know what happens if the child doesn’t have a smart phone, but I guess it’s not common.

There are millions of children NOT murdering who have phones. There are greater issues at play here than technology.

Kids are looking up disorders for all sorts of things, plus medical disorders and putting on the symptoms, often convincing MH workers at times.

It will be impossible to know if he has ASD because its not true that people with ND disorders cant have or dont have insight into the effects on them. ASD affects veryone so differently

Would you be happy for these 2 to be rehabilitated and end up in a flat share with one of your kids?

If they were so obsessed surely the parents would have an inkling they had some pretty horrendous ideas

Things like this are always complex, and we have minimal insight.

But there's another thread, running to many pages, about how it's WRONG and possibly CRIMINAL ( in an alternative universe) to take a teenagers phone off them after TWO previous warnings, and expect the parent to turn up to school to get it back ( and presumably explain why their little darling doesn't have any rules).

We have entitled generations who think nothing applies to them. Why is anyone surprised that society is breaking down?

Sadly true. In extreme cases there are abhorrent acts

disturbing murders happened before the internet but I do think unfettered access to to internet was a contributing factor in this case. Future generations will judge us for not protecting young people more from it.

on a separate note, I was also was very moved by Briannas mum’s statement. She was amazing

He’s been officially diagnosed with asd, presumably through the NHS given the input he will have had after the murder. suggesting someone can lie to achieve an NHS autism diagnosis is a bit out there. I do think in some rare cases asd can lead to criminal behaviour due to obsessive behaviour. Ie stalking.

Remember when you didn't step out of line because you were afraid of getting into trouble with your parents?

@girlfriend44

I do remember ‘the good old days’ as I am in my 60s. There were plenty of evil people then too, I don’t think things are worse. Yes I didn’t want to get in trouble with my parents, but my parents had no idea what I was getting up to because they saw a lot less of me than parents do nowadays. Young people, even quite young children, were out without their parents so much more than now. I walked to and from school with friends from the age of 7, played out all day in the summer and was just generally not in the house much. Not because my parents were neglectful but that’s just how it was then. It’s a total myth that parents used to have more control over their children.

The idea that children and young people have to be indoors or tracked all the time is fairly recent and it has come about because we think it is safer that way. As it’s turned out, children are not necessarily safe tucked away in their bedrooms. We have just swapped one set of dangers for another.

@BornIn78 thank you for explaining.

@teaandtoastwithmarmite weren't the James Bulger's murderers meant to have been influenced by videos they were allowed to watch by parents

That's why I mentioned that most of my family are autistic. Self-awareness at a young age is certainly not one of our family traits.

I understand the 'if you know someone with autism you only know one person with autism' thing, and I agree. But if you read his testimony you'll see what I mean. He may well be 'on the spectrum' somewhere, but the way he was describing how it affects him weren't the words of a teenager with autism describing themselves.

If your expelled from school, why should another school want you.

What do you suggest should happen to pupils who are expelled? Should they just be left without any education?

Bear in mind that a grossly disproportionate number of children with SEN and disabilities get expelled.

Op, from what I have read on the news, these teenagers seemed really psychopathic. Not all psychopaths are bad people or murderers but the ones who are are well known for being the type who get a kick out of violence and killing people and are the type of people who would actually plot to murder someone the way these two have. Psychopathic people do not function like normal people and do not fear anyone, they have absolutely no remorse or empathy and so no they most likely won’t have been scared if their parents found out or even cared for that matter. Also psychopaths are born that way and generally do not turn psychopathic due to their upbringing so to keep blaming the parents without knowing the full picture isn’t really fair. We don’t know their background or anything about their parents.

My DD has ADHD. Do people know what the waiting times are like for diagnosis? Do you know how hard it is to get heard? Do many times I was told I wasn’t managing her behaviour well enough. Maybe there’s a high percentage of criminals with ADHD because it is vastly under-diagnosed, there’s a massive medication shortage and we expect people to just crack on at life with no support, medication etc. ADHD is no picnic.

If phones caused teens to murder people then there would be a hell of a lot more happening. Think about it. You’re focusing on the wrong thing - you sound like someone fearing the ‘Industrial’ age ffs

weren't the James Bulger's murderers meant to have been influenced by videos they were allowed to watch by parents

absolutely. If I showed my 8 year old a horror film I’d no doubt she’d be out there, murdering away 🙄

I noticed this. I am hoping this poster wasn’t aware of what they were implying, op. Otherwise it’s so rude. And the link doesn’t even work! So, not that intelligent after all.

This is so dark. I feel for everyone involved. The rest of us can switch off and watch a Xmas film, but all the parents have to live with this forever. RIP Brianna.

Original comment is correct - a scene from one of the Child’s Play films which Venables dad let him watch

That is not a fact

It’s absolutely tragic. That poor child with her whole life ahead of her.
i hope they get a lengthy sentence.

History would suggest it is.