Brianna Ghey.

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Two teenagers found guilty today of murdering Brianna last Feb.

The murder was plotted on their phones. Discussed between them. The girl had a note in her bedroom found on the floor, of the murderous Plan.

The girl had downloaded the dark Web on her phone and was watching violence and gore and was obsessed with serial killers.

Where are the parents in all of this?
They just seemed to have no idea of what their teens are up to and what they are watching?

Parents are paying for the phone, no doubt, shouldn't they take more interest.

What started out as buying a little payg phone so you could contact your child on the way to and from school has gone way too far.

It's horrible out there what's going on?

Rip Brianna. We have a real problem that people are being evil so young,

Also shied been expelled from previous school lovely young lady.
She came to Briannas school and identified her as vulnerable, makes you wonder if there should be more safeguarding too?

If your expelled from school, why should another school want you. In this case it proved fatal.

Yes she was very generous and spoke really well.
Such a tragic case. 3 young lives ruined.
I don't have any sympathy for her killers but they will never live a fulfilling life.

Young people and criminality is multifactorial cannot be blamed solely on parents
Factors inc
Mental health
Social & economic background
Substance and alcohol use
Gangs and exploitation
Social network and peer pressure

There is no such thing as "the dark web." It's just the part of the internet that isn't indexed by search engines. It takes no expertise and under a minute to download a browser for it. Most people who use it, use it to protect themselves from being constantly tracked as we are on Chrome, Edge, Safari etc. It's pretty normal and I'd be very surprised if it's not what my DS uses when he's a teen.

I’m pretty sure she didn’t learn to download the dark web from her mum..

What risk assessment?

Kids change schools all the time after being excluded. Some of them are violent. Some are not

And if the risk assessment said she was a risk to other children, what then, are you syaing she doesnt go to school?

Unfortunately there are children who present risk to other children. They are, for the large part, at schools.

Boy Y tried to claim at one point when giving evidence that his autism meant that he couldn’t know his conversations with Girk X weren’t more than fantasy (for her).

He also tried to claim that his autism meant he couldn’t or didn’t feel fear, but then later contradicted himself by saying he felt fear that Girl X would come after him if he told the police what had happened.

He was allowed to give his evidence in court by typing his replies to questions because of his autism/selective mutism.

Similar happened before phones/internet.

It’s lazy and ignorant to automatically blame the parents.

I'm going to assume you don't have teenagers OP

They should be named and their evil faces shown everywhere and hopefully their lives will be short and miserable as they deserve. This is very similar to a US case I recall. Poor Brianna.

These teenagers are not normal.

You are putting them in the same category as normal people, with normal regard for acceptable societal behaviours and fear of repercussions.

Upbringing and surroundings is sometimes a factor, sometimes they are just born that way (psychopaths).

They have no fear of punishments/ostracisation - fulfilling their most evil inner desires is probably all they can think about.

It's very difficult to understand when you dont think like that.

Dark web wasn't around when James bulger was killed

Will they be named now they have been found guilty?

I suspect they’ll be publicly named when sentenced, it’s not difficult to find out

Its very difficult because for every situation where someone with additional needs is inappropriate or violent or harmful to others, there is another situation where (often) an adult woman will recall how she was perhaps incorrectly diagnosed with anti social PD (or borderline in the old days) when in fact she had ASD and if only the diagnoses were more accurate in her childhood, she could have had the support she needed etc etc

Yet here, people are sure that this girl, and perhaps the boy, are just plain old psychopaths. They might be.

People also baulk at discussion that their ND disorders could have played a part in why they acted in the way they did. I think thats likely, their view of the world. themselves, their impulses, their social/communication processessing challenges, everything about it

Also these kids didnt get to just be violent and murderous at 15. I think that might be what people mean when linking this to parenting. There are loving parents of kids in prison. There are also far far more feckless, absent and abusive parents of kids in prison. That is more common

Doubt it will be a significant sentence

He was diagnosed with autism some time after the murder. She was described as having 'autistic traits'.

I'm autistic (diagnosed in my 50s), my DM is autistic, both my DCs are autistic and one of my DGS is awaiting assessment.

In my opinion 'Boy Y' lied throughout his testimony and played the 'autistic card', almost as if he'd been coached on what to say. His testimony's available online and it's very clearly that of someone who knows something about autism but doesn't actually have experience of the 'symptoms' he's describing. If nothing else his apparent self-awareness and knowledge of the effects it has on him are extremely unlikely for a young teenager with autism, particularly when they've only recently been diagnosed.

He's a liar, simple as that.

Quite. I left school in 1978. While I was in my final year, two boys my age from another school, who lived in my small village committed a hideous crime and were jailed. No mobile phones, they built a den, met there, planned and executed their crime. One of their parents was a doctor, and they lived in the expensive houses on the Ridge. One of the mothers spent most of the rest of her life sedated, in and out of psychiatric care. They were just normal families just like mine before it happened.

What is your "being unreasonable" question?

what they did was so far removed from “normal behaviour” I don’t think it can be rationalised by saying weren’t they afraid what their parents would think.

The measure of a civilised society is how we many dysfunction & criminality
Disavow yourself of hang,flog,and shame offenders
We need to have a humane well run prisons and YOI. We have unfit for purpose , crowded and dilapidated, prisons and YOI we need to fix that

Agree with all of this. Some people are just born bad, regardless of nurture, parents, other socio factors.

Absolutely tragic and disturbing case. I was coincidentally watching a drama last night about Brady/ Hindley. It’s always disconcerting when there are two people involved as you tend to think some lone evil people are just born that way but it’s harder to explain when there are 2 working together. Was one influenced or coerced? Time will likely tell. A bit like the Bulger case.
, I suspect at least one of these young people should never ever be released. RIP Brianna

I'm glad it wasn't just me who spotted his BS @BornIn78

Its possibly likely that their conditions led them to be completely obsessed with an idea and fascination of something, in this case, hurting and killing someone.

They werent able to switch that off. Im not sure its about not caring if they got caught, they were wrapped up in the obsession which then became a compulsion. Many ND clients have these traits, usually about very mundane and benign things.