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Nightmare MIL-now shes stranded!!

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AlwaysAnxiousAnnie · 17/12/2023 16:02

This might be a bit long winded but I'll try and shorten it down.

I posted before about my MIL. Basically she has long standing issue with alcohol. She will not stop drinking and she's torn our whole family apart in the process. Shes been admitted to hospital several times over the last 12 weeks because of her strange behaviour, symptoms. Theyv said she has alcohol related brain damage and alcohol induced psychosis, she was even briefly sectioned. She is delusional and delirious. She believes things that aren't true and even acts on these strange thoughts and scenarios in her head. For example, she booked and paid for a wedding for me and her son, suits, tiaras, all sorts. Holidays,hot tubs, puppies. She's turned hostile and violent. Assulating me, assulating her husband, criminal damage, causing a nuisance in the town, getting busses to towns 20 miles a day in her dressing gown and being confused. We've tried to get her all the help but social won't touch her and neither will GPs or anyone really because it's all alcohol induced and she's said she won't stop until she's dead. Her husband has been staying with us because the police were called loads of times and she is deemed as a risk to him. He's 75, shes 20 years younger. Anyway, last week she begged him to go home, all was fine for a few days, they booked a last min holiday that DIL paid for. The night before die to fly she kicked off and assaulted him, she was arrested and put in court but no charges b cause they couldn't "prove" and she maintained that he is the one that assaulted her. (Not true, she's gone through phases of going round telling anyone who will listen that we've all been handy with her,,including her son being in prison for assulating her lol) so he went on this holiday by himself. He was there four days and she decided to book her own flight and fly out there. She was there four days and the whole tim, she had been throwing bottles and smashing them, throwing her own shit at him, all sorts of stupid behaviour all because he's trying to reign in her drinking. You can't tell her, she never accepts responsibility or accountability for anything she's done and she's done some stupid shit! Its always everyone else's fault. So yesterday DIL flew back to the UK and left her there. We've since learned that they've kicked her out of the hotel for her behaviour, she's got no money. We've had the British embassy on the phone asking us to send money and book her a flight, she's at the airport abroad. she's lost her passport but they've said they will sort her some documents if we sort the flight. My partner has said no. He's not bailing her out anymore and she needs to accept responsibility (she's still maintaining that it's all DILS fault and she's done nothing wrong) DIL won't help her. I feel terrible and now we are all disagreeing because I'm saying we need to help her get home and they are saying nom she's made her bed and this might be the wake up call she needs. Thoughts?
The embassy have said they are speaking to the holiday provider about getting her home but we don't actually know yet what's happening, we've had no more correspondence. I do understand why my partner and DIL are so cross, she has put us through hell and back the last 12 weeks and each time she does something more and more extreme. She's caused us so many problems with police and social services (I have an ,18 month old) and we were safeguarded because of her coming to my house every day and kicking the doors in) . I know this is long but I just wanted to know what would other people do, how would they feel? I'm so upset

OP posts:
ClematisBlue49 · 18/12/2023 20:38

I think you were right to want to make sure she got back to the UK, but what you are proposing to do (and what your DH and FIL are proposing that you do) is not reasonable or safe. I would call back whoever asked you to collect her and say you are not willing to risk your safety and the police will have to deal with her or bring her home themselves. If you need an excuse say that you are unwell (which you are, due to anxiety) and have no one to mind your child.

NB I would not call a taxi - it wouldn't be fair on the driver.

Dottymug · 18/12/2023 20:38

You have insisted you don't enable her drinking OP, but that's what you are doing every time you refuse to let her face the consequences of her actions.

Projectme · 18/12/2023 20:42

I cant believe your DH and his DF are willing you to do this?! I think it's a very dangerous thing to do. Think of your baby, please!

This is your DH's mum. Support him in his decisions but not to this extent!

Tacotortoise · 18/12/2023 20:44

AlwaysAnxiousAnnie · 18/12/2023 19:38

I have asked around someone to come with but no one can. I know I'm an idiot and a push over. Its not all DH & FiL. Its my eon conscience too. If anything happens to her I would feel so guilty. The only reason I hav agreed is because I just feel bad that harm may come to her. I know that I need to take a step back and I know that by pandering and going to fetch her she will think it's acceptable. I have said she has one chance in my car. Once I collect her of she kicks off or rares up even a bit I will pull over and kick her out, and I will call the police and tell them she is a danger and I can't travel safely with her. We have agreed upon these terms between us. Myself, DH ,& FiL.

How is risking booting her out in on an unknown road (maybe a motorway or dual carriageway) at night one bit safer than leaving her at the airport where she is being supervised? If she's in such a state that they are insisting that she be collected they will make other arrangements for her if she isn't.

Honestly, you are a bunch of fools to even consider this a viable plan.

CandyLeBonBon · 18/12/2023 20:45

I had sympathy for you op.

DancesWithDucks · 18/12/2023 20:48

Chances are she'll be ok. But if not, and there's a very real risk if she's driving with an aggressive drunk woman who might assault her in the car, the consequences can be terrible.

It really, really, really sucks to grow up without a mother.

Dottymug · 18/12/2023 20:49

"we were safeguarded because of her coming to my house every day and kicking the doors in." But now you're happy to drive her home in the dark?

dapsnotplimsolls · 18/12/2023 20:53

You could pick her up, drive her to the nearest train station, buy her a ticket then leave her to it. She'll probably kick off at someone on the train and get arrested so she'll be safe and warm. Where will she be going when she gets back? Will your FIL be moving in with you to get away from her if she goes to their place?

AnotherCrazyCatLady · 18/12/2023 20:53

WhereIsBebèsChambre · 18/12/2023 08:59

Absolutely! @AnotherCrazyCatLady But it is also (3) that the FIL has to take some responsibility for booking this holiday and then going on it, alone, despite the blow-up the night Why? So he should stay at home and be abused by a vile drunk, or take the risk of taking a vile abusive drunk on an aircraft? What responsibilities does he have?

Please see my original post:

"For avoidance of doubt, I think it is fair enough for him to draw a line and withdraw support, on the basis of how dangerous and erratic the MIL's behaviour has become. This is solely about getting her back to the UK."

I also said, in my original post, that providing assistance was primarily about the safety of the MIL. My reason for adding (3) was that, only days earlier, the FIL decided that it was appropriate to book a holiday for the two of them. He then went on the holiday alone. Given the MIL's impulsive behaviour, it was entirely foreseeable that she would try to join him. I can completely understand if the FIL decides the only way forward is withdraw all support, but there is immediate question of getting the MIL back from a trip that he organised. That's as far as my point goes.

Atethehalloweenchocs · 18/12/2023 21:08

OP -you are not unreasonable for feeling compassion. That is a lovely thing the be able to do when someone has been so difficult. However, you would be unreasonable to do things which may be dangerous. I understand that your DFIL and DH may not want to see her. But leaving it to you to do is completely batshit crazy. I think your DH should go with you, she should sit in the back, and if there is any trouble or aggression before you get in the car you call the police and drive off without her.

Tandora · 18/12/2023 21:15

piscofrisco · 18/12/2023 18:29

Well then that's the process. And when there is no safe relative to come and get her they call social services/the mental health team and that way she hopefully gets some help.

This!!!! Do not pick her up OP. I was on the side of helping her out while she was in a foreign country, but once she’s back in UK let the police deal with her!! If you the family don’t keep picking up the pieces the authorities will finally be forced to actually deal with her and get her the professional help that she needs and that you are not in a position to provide.

AllAroundMyCat · 18/12/2023 21:17

You are entitled to feel for her but she really needs to reach rock bottom before she'll acknowledge That she needs help.

Leave her be. All of you. Maybe this will be her rock bottom.

LardyCakeAgain · 18/12/2023 21:21

Lunde · 18/12/2023 18:48

The passport "confiscation" story sounds like bullshit - I thought police in the UK could only confiscate a passport where terrorism is suspected?

I see why she does it though. As a family you seem easy to manipulate as one sob story and you all run back to "help" her despite claiming you would cut her off. Yesterday she was claiming to have no travel documents and to be "stranded" - yet when nobody dashed to send her money she "found" her passport and is back in the UK 24 hours later ... and now you are dashing to sort out her onward travel arrangements

Edited

This sounds like the FCDO have loaned her some money - if so, they confiscate & mark the passport and provide emergency travel documents instead. You only get the passport back once you have repaid the loan. It was detailed in the link a few pages back.

SquishyGloopyBum · 18/12/2023 21:43

Sorry op but tough love from me.

What the fuck are you doing?

You are 100% enabling her. You get defensive when others point this out, but wake the fuck up.

WillowTit · 18/12/2023 21:49

she is in the uk
there is no need to pick her up

AlwaysAnxiousAnnie · 18/12/2023 22:01

I understand everyone's concerns and honestly the long and short of it is I cannot just leave her. I just can't do it.. my head tells me to fuck her but my heart tells me to just get her and make her safe. I think it's not fair though for people to be judging my parenting tbh. "where is your child" and "I hope your not going with a child in tow". Very judgemental, I draw the line at bringing my toddler along. I feel very attacked and I understand people's concerns and opinions, but I'm also grateful for everyone's support.

OP posts:
GreatGateauxsby · 18/12/2023 22:01

Absolute madness.
You are being totally wreckless and a classic enabler.

This is 100% the wrong thing to do...

It says SO much that it isn't her own child going out - you are... Because on some level you like it... What exactly it is, you like I am not sure

But you need to establish what you are getting out of this as clearly on some level you are getting some needs met by your MIL otherwise you wouldn't keep going back for more...

SecondUsername4me · 18/12/2023 22:02

AlwaysAnxiousAnnie · 18/12/2023 22:01

I understand everyone's concerns and honestly the long and short of it is I cannot just leave her. I just can't do it.. my head tells me to fuck her but my heart tells me to just get her and make her safe. I think it's not fair though for people to be judging my parenting tbh. "where is your child" and "I hope your not going with a child in tow". Very judgemental, I draw the line at bringing my toddler along. I feel very attacked and I understand people's concerns and opinions, but I'm also grateful for everyone's support.

I know we are strangers and my opinion of you is irrelevant to you, but I am so cross with you.

I'm going to hide this thread, I think.

Avatartar · 18/12/2023 22:07

I’m dipping out now OP but you’re not considering your DC as you’re happy to risk your life/ DC future without you by getting behind the wheel with the violent woman you are safeguarded from- complete madness

SquishyGloopyBum · 18/12/2023 22:09

AlwaysAnxiousAnnie · 18/12/2023 22:01

I understand everyone's concerns and honestly the long and short of it is I cannot just leave her. I just can't do it.. my head tells me to fuck her but my heart tells me to just get her and make her safe. I think it's not fair though for people to be judging my parenting tbh. "where is your child" and "I hope your not going with a child in tow". Very judgemental, I draw the line at bringing my toddler along. I feel very attacked and I understand people's concerns and opinions, but I'm also grateful for everyone's support.

Well at least acknowledge that you are enabling her then.

You cannot have it both ways. Do what you want to do, but be honest with yourself at least.

Dottymug · 18/12/2023 22:09

@AlwaysAnxiousAnnie I'm sorry for you I really am, but you can't make her safe. You can't save her. I am not attacking you at all. I did the same as you for a long time, always being the rescuer, before it dawned on me I wasn't helping the alcoholic at all. I was just damaging the rest of my family.

FlyingCherub · 18/12/2023 22:11

Hopefully if she's short on money and has had the flight provided for her, they've kept her well away from any alcohol.

Tandora · 18/12/2023 22:11

AlwaysAnxiousAnnie · 18/12/2023 22:01

I understand everyone's concerns and honestly the long and short of it is I cannot just leave her. I just can't do it.. my head tells me to fuck her but my heart tells me to just get her and make her safe. I think it's not fair though for people to be judging my parenting tbh. "where is your child" and "I hope your not going with a child in tow". Very judgemental, I draw the line at bringing my toddler along. I feel very attacked and I understand people's concerns and opinions, but I'm also grateful for everyone's support.

Hi OP, I totally understand you, but has it occurred to you that she might be safer in the hands of the police? She’s so out of control you can’t keep her safe and you are putting both of you in harms way but getting in a car with her. The police can get her the professional help she needs xxx

Puzzledandpissedoff · 18/12/2023 22:12

Once I collect her of she kicks off or rares up even a bit I will pull over and kick her out

Why kid yourself, OP? It probably feels brave to say it, but you know perfectly well you're not going to do this ... after all in the very next post you said "I cannot just leave her. I just can't do it"

Clearly none of you are at the point where you really will withdraw, and probably this will continue until MIL kills herself with the drink. Obviously these are your decision to make, but I only hope for everyone's sake that you don't destroy yourselves in making them

SequentialAnalyst · 18/12/2023 22:13

FlyingCherub · 18/12/2023 22:11

Hopefully if she's short on money and has had the flight provided for her, they've kept her well away from any alcohol.

This does not mean that she will be sweet, calm, and co-operative!

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