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BeadedBubbles · 13/12/2023 16:41

Gotten is correct. Old English usage that fell out of use in some parts of the country but not others.

Also common usage in America.

ginasevern · 13/12/2023 16:47

@ColleenDonaghy

I realise gotten is old English, it actually stopped being used in the 18th century. It is correct in American English but it is most definitely not correct in modern English. It would not, for example, be taught in an English lesson or to anyone learning English in the UK. I have only heard it used by young people who have picked it up from social media, which generally emulates Americanisms. What regions is it used in?

ColleenDonaghy · 13/12/2023 16:53

ginasevern · 13/12/2023 16:47

@ColleenDonaghy

I realise gotten is old English, it actually stopped being used in the 18th century. It is correct in American English but it is most definitely not correct in modern English. It would not, for example, be taught in an English lesson or to anyone learning English in the UK. I have only heard it used by young people who have picked it up from social media, which generally emulates Americanisms. What regions is it used in?

Never fell out of use in Ireland, and I'm pretty sure Scotland as well as some parts of England. Very much open to correction on that.

Regardless of the actual regions, it's still correct.

ginasevern · 13/12/2023 16:53

@BeadedBubbles

As per my post above, it is indeed correct usage over the pond. I thought however this thread was about the misuse of the English language as spoken in England.

ColleenDonaghy · 13/12/2023 16:56

ginasevern · 13/12/2023 16:53

@BeadedBubbles

As per my post above, it is indeed correct usage over the pond. I thought however this thread was about the misuse of the English language as spoken in England.

Why would you think it's about England?

PaminaMozart · 13/12/2023 16:59

shepherdsangeldelight · 13/12/2023 12:59

Get in the que.

FFS. Surely you mean cue??!!!

Sigh.

The fact that I feel I would need to add some jokey emoji to make it absolutely clear that I know it's queue tells me how low we have sunk...

BeadedBubbles · 13/12/2023 17:04

ginasevern · 13/12/2023 16:53

@BeadedBubbles

As per my post above, it is indeed correct usage over the pond. I thought however this thread was about the misuse of the English language as spoken in England.

Didn't really think about it. It was just an idle comment prompted by a memory of an American student on my English degree course (decades ago) who used 'gotten' and I was quite bemused by it.

ginasevern · 13/12/2023 17:04

@ColleenDonaghy

I didn't know it was used in Ireland. Sadly I have never had the good fortune to visit. I have been to Scotland many times and have genuinely not heard it used there. As for England, I really have never, ever heard gotten used until relatively recently and by young people. I cannot say whether it is taught in schools in Ireland but it isn't in England as it simply is not correct in modern English.

ColleenDonaghy · 13/12/2023 17:14

ginasevern · 13/12/2023 17:04

@ColleenDonaghy

I didn't know it was used in Ireland. Sadly I have never had the good fortune to visit. I have been to Scotland many times and have genuinely not heard it used there. As for England, I really have never, ever heard gotten used until relatively recently and by young people. I cannot say whether it is taught in schools in Ireland but it isn't in England as it simply is not correct in modern English.

It is standard and taught in schools Ireland. But again, why would you think the thread is about England? The internet is international, people can use whatever version or mixture of versions they like.

somethingisnotquiteright · 13/12/2023 17:18

I keep seeing are instead of our lately. That one really sets my teeth on edge.

We all followed roughly the same curriculum whilst at school. Perhaps all these people were absent the day of/have were covered.

Hadjab · 13/12/2023 17:18

beautifullittletree · 13/12/2023 14:22

So a poster got defensive because she was embarrassed about her mistake being pointed out multiple times? I feel sympathy for her tbh

And the unable to concentrate on the post becsue she said que and not queue is really strange. Surely people could have just read it as intended, corrected the error in their heads then answered the thread?

Great example of 'I'm better than you'

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You say read it correctly in your head, but I can’t. Not because I think I’m better than anyone else, but because my brain literally won’t allow me to. It recognises the word for what it is, not what it should be.

ginasevern · 13/12/2023 17:48

@@ColleenDonaghy

"It is standard and taught in schools Ireland. But again, why would you think the thread is about England? The internet is international, people can use whatever version or mixture of versions they like."

Fair enough. I didn't know it was taught as standard in Irish schools. I've had Irish neighbours living either side of me for years (they are both in their 80's so I'll tell them what I've learned today). I did however think the point of this thread was to discuss the corruption or misuse of the English language. Of course the internet is international and people can use any version/mixture or mishmash of the language they like but that doesn't make it correct and I didn't think this thread was about that.

ColleenDonaghy · 13/12/2023 17:52

ginasevern · 13/12/2023 17:48

@@ColleenDonaghy

"It is standard and taught in schools Ireland. But again, why would you think the thread is about England? The internet is international, people can use whatever version or mixture of versions they like."

Fair enough. I didn't know it was taught as standard in Irish schools. I've had Irish neighbours living either side of me for years (they are both in their 80's so I'll tell them what I've learned today). I did however think the point of this thread was to discuss the corruption or misuse of the English language. Of course the internet is international and people can use any version/mixture or mishmash of the language they like but that doesn't make it correct and I didn't think this thread was about that.

But that's my point - gotten IS correct, so why criticise it? You don't need to use it or even like it, but it's a very normal, everyday word in many parts of the world.

Fieldofbrokenpromises · 13/12/2023 17:53

When did we reverse the meanings of worse and worst? Why wasn't I told?
Adverse for averse - "I'm not adverse to it"

Fieldofbrokenpromises · 13/12/2023 17:53

The use of misnomer to mean incorrect in any way rather than the actual meaning.

AuntyMabelandPippin · 13/12/2023 18:00

Per say is one I've seen a few times recently...

ginasevern · 13/12/2023 18:14

@ColleenDonaghy

"But that's my point - gotten IS correct, so why criticise it? You don't need to use it or even like it, but it's a very normal, everyday word in many parts of the world."

Colleen, gotten is not correct in the English language as taught in England so I'm not sure what your point actually is. You seem determined to tell me that it is correct when it isn't. Using other parts of the world as an example hardly proves your point either. Yes, it is correct in America and Canada as the past participle of the word got, but not in England. I'm not talking about other parts of the world or indeed England in the year 1780. It irritates me when people born, raised and educated in England use the word gotten just as the word normalcy does instead of normality. I'm criticising the word because this was an open debate inviting people to air their pet hates in the English language. I haven't just dropped into a thread about holidays in Tenerife!

lurchermummy · 13/12/2023 18:36

"need gone" gets my goat every single time

backtowinter · 13/12/2023 18:39

ginasevern · 13/12/2023 16:53

@BeadedBubbles

As per my post above, it is indeed correct usage over the pond. I thought however this thread was about the misuse of the English language as spoken in England.

I don't live in England. I'd Mumsnet not for all of us then?

BeadedBubbles · 13/12/2023 18:44

@backtowinter - I think you've got the wrong person. My comment was that 'gotten' is common use in America.

backtowinter · 13/12/2023 18:45

BeadedBubbles · 13/12/2023 18:44

@backtowinter - I think you've got the wrong person. My comment was that 'gotten' is common use in America.

It was for @ginasevern

I quoted her tweet

BeadedBubbles · 13/12/2023 18:47

@backtowinter - ah I see. Sorry my fault I misread your post.

ColleenDonaghy · 13/12/2023 18:51

ginasevern · 13/12/2023 18:14

@ColleenDonaghy

"But that's my point - gotten IS correct, so why criticise it? You don't need to use it or even like it, but it's a very normal, everyday word in many parts of the world."

Colleen, gotten is not correct in the English language as taught in England so I'm not sure what your point actually is. You seem determined to tell me that it is correct when it isn't. Using other parts of the world as an example hardly proves your point either. Yes, it is correct in America and Canada as the past participle of the word got, but not in England. I'm not talking about other parts of the world or indeed England in the year 1780. It irritates me when people born, raised and educated in England use the word gotten just as the word normalcy does instead of normality. I'm criticising the word because this was an open debate inviting people to air their pet hates in the English language. I haven't just dropped into a thread about holidays in Tenerife!

But lots of us don't actually live in England. Gotten is as normal as "the" to me and countless others. It's not incorrect. I don't know why you would think a thread discussing the use of English is only discussing your particular dialect.

backtowinter · 13/12/2023 18:52

BeadedBubbles · 13/12/2023 18:47

@backtowinter - ah I see. Sorry my fault I misread your post.

Easy done

I think I'm agreeing with you.

BeadedBubbles · 13/12/2023 19:00

@backtowinter 😂