To agree with Nigel Farage?

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I expect to be completely flamed here!

But I find myself agreeing with him. I've been watching TV this morning and have seen him do a couple of interviews following his exit from the jungle.

I voted Remain back in 2016 and have always voted Labour. So in the past I've obviously had very different political views from him m, but everything he said this morning about a population crisis, there being no real leader of the opposition and the Conservative Party being in a complete shambles made sense. I think he does speak a lot of what maybe others would be afraid to say. I honestly feel confused as to why I find myself agreeing with him.

Tell me I'm being unreasonable!

I think you've hit part of the nail on the head. The left are SO loud and disparaging of anyone who is politically moderate/central and slightly right of centre (so the vast majority of the British public) they're pushing people ever further right to feel like they are being heard.

Perhaps if the left listened to and worked with the moderates more rather than shouting over them we may see less people like Farage or Tommy Robinson being front and centre in our media.

The problem is, and you see it on here, people participating in this London exodus are seeking London #2. "Moving out of London and seeking somewhere just like London" threads aplenty. Then followed by a "we moved and the rest of the UK is nothing like London and we regret moving" threads

@JaneyGee Boo boo. Come to the north and see how parts of it have been left to rot for years and that’s nothing to do with immigration.
I would say that because the cost of living is less up here and that it’s on the whole a less desirable place to live we tend to get the poorly skilled and educated non english speaking migrants who are less less likely to make a positive economic contribution to the local area. Unlike in London and the SE where you might have polish IT workers or French lawyers we tend to accommodate migrants from Eritrea or Somalia. Rightly or wrongly that does inflame tensions in those already poor communities who feel ignored by local councils/government and led to Brexit.

@ArsetoChristmas labour according to lefties is no longer left wing. Keir Starmer is no joking regarded as a Tory stooge, vilified because he’s a centrist unlike the sainted Jezza.

YANBU, I agree with quite a few of his views.

He's a really dangerous and dishonest man. Just spend a little time googling some of the things he stands for and don't let him fool you with this affable, avuncular bullshit.

I find the idea that the country is run by some left wing cabal laughable - it's run by and for the benefit of wealthy elites like Jacob Rees-Mogg, and has been for years (at least since Thatcher). The idea that, for example, a judge enforcing the law is "left-wing" or that financiers not backing Truss' disaster capitalism were "left-wing" is just ridiculous and is only held by the kind of right-wing loons that think Sunak is a communist.

The "higher birth rate" solution is absurd. People stick to around 2/3 children for lots of reasons that have nothing to do with whether they can afford a larger house, so you would have to change an entire generation's mindset before that had any realistic effect; and you would still have to wait 20 years for the resulting extra children to grow up.

One also has to wonder what would be the point of reducing immigration by a certain number, only to increase the birthrate by that same number to counter the problems caused by reduced immigration! You still have the same number of people.

I suppose more of them would be white.

Yep and it’s still a ponzi pyramid which is making climate issues worse

All it takes is talk, as opposed to action, to fool people. This country is in a state due to that, even though admitting it is akin to pulling teeth for many

I've seen that said before. The worrying state of the world at the moment is that the far right AND the far left are equally as dangerous as each other and meeting in the middle as has previously been predicted (Palestine).

@Sausagenbacon the civil service is left wing 😂 ah the much vaunted establishment cabal unlike Farage the ex banker and Johnson the former public schoolboy and multi millionaire toff type, both vanguards of the WC…

That feeling is not a general one. It's confined to idiots.

Calling people idiots for holding a view/opinion that differs from yours won't really entice them over to your way of thinking.

A fair point, but asserting the country is run by the Left after 13 years of hard Tory decline isn't very sensible is it?

@ArsetoChristmas let’s be honest, they are never going to be enticed to thinking differently. Like most folk they stick to their echo chambers and read stuff that mirrors their beliefs. It’s like people cannot be challenged about being racist as god forbid it might hurt their feelings. It’s how we ended up with Brexit.

It depends which angle you take. The Tories have brought in a lot of policies that Labour either haven't contested or have been mooted by previous labour governments.

True, but some do listen and reflect and change their views. At its most extreme people have been deradicalised from very extreme beliefs. You also get people like the son of a Hams leader who is incredibly outspoken against Hamas. People will listen if you discuss things in a civil manner.

Why is that so bad?

Nigel is like an evil magician who can make everything he says sound reasonable an sensible BUT he leaves absolute carnage

Brexit was meant to solve 3 problems migration NHS and sovereignty
Brexit has caused the small boats problem and reduction in EU migrants has been matched by increasing migration elsewhere
NHS has deteriorated since Brexit as alot of EU immigrants worked in NHS
Brexit has led to loss of financial industry and less clout for the UK. Could argue that Putin wouldn't have dared invade Ukraine if Brexit hadn't weakened UK and EU. So now we have more immigrants from Ukraine and spending millions sending ammunition etc.

What is it going to take for the right wing ideologues who are fing up the country, and the people who keep voting for them to keep fing up the country, to at least take some responsibility for the consequences of their actions?

Austerity only happened because Gordon Brown spent too much money.

Brexit only happened because Jeremy Corbyn didn't campaign for Remain convincingly enough.

Once Brexit happened, it only failed to deliver any of what it promised because it wasn't the Right Kind Of Brexit. It was too soft, or hard, or something.

Saving all that money on EU contributions to use on the NHS didn't help, because all the immigrants (who were supposed to be stopped by Brexit) keep coming over here and getting sick, after the government has already had to use the extra tax receipts they provide on dodgy Covid contracts for their friends and corporation tax cuts. Presumably because the left made them.

People don't support Tommy Robinson because they're idiots and racists, they only do it because "the left" forces them to do it. By saying things they don't want to hear, in too loud a voice.

And apparently, all the failure of idiotic right wing dogma foisted on the country over the last decade by the party IN POWER is not actually any of that party's fault. It's the fault of all the "left wingers" dominating the civil service!

You've been duped by a bunch of chancers to vote for them to rape the country at our expense. Get over it. Or don't, but at least have the humility and realism not to try and blame the very people who tried to prevent it.

You're reading what you think has been written and going off on a rather self indulgent rant there. Equally you've made rather broad and quite insulting assumptions about me and my voting habits.

@ArsetoChristmas Ha, so very true. We live in Bath and one of the reasons I like it is we have lots of nice things on the doorstep -so I don't actually feel I'm missing out- but the fact is if you want somewhere like this you pay for the priviledge- and I don't think it's just a southern thing- looking at prices in York or Ilkley or Diidsbury or Harrogate or Brighton- still not cheap at all. so people expecting to pay buttons and getting a similar vibe are nearly always disappointed. It works well if you are happy away from one of the 'hotspots' and ok with a simpler set up

@ArsetoChristmas I'm actually a Lib Dem/Labour voter (depending where I've lived) and I agree with you that the far left do no favours whatsoever for getting the right people in governing- like the far right they aren't the majority but dominate the agenda. !!

He's a calculated weasel of a man.

The only population crisis in the UK is the decline in birthrate.

Yet another right wing dog whistle.

We all know the Tories are useless and Starmer's not likeable. Hardly brave for saying it, is he?!!