To agree with Nigel Farage?

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I expect to be completely flamed here!

But I find myself agreeing with him. I've been watching TV this morning and have seen him do a couple of interviews following his exit from the jungle.

I voted Remain back in 2016 and have always voted Labour. So in the past I've obviously had very different political views from him m, but everything he said this morning about a population crisis, there being no real leader of the opposition and the Conservative Party being in a complete shambles made sense. I think he does speak a lot of what maybe others would be afraid to say. I honestly feel confused as to why I find myself agreeing with him.

Tell me I'm being unreasonable!

This is just absurd. The infant class size limit of 30 is simply an arbitrary number, there is no way that having just one more child in class tips the quality of education over from good to bad.

People don't get into their nearest schools for plenty of reasons, the most frequent one being that the good schools are heavily in demand and become oversubscribed very quickly. It may be because of immigrants, but it's just as likely to be because Anglo-Saxon natives are savvy at negotiating the admission system and ensure that they buy houses near the popular schools, go to the right churches etc.

If there aren't enough school places, blame a government which has been consistently underfunding education ever since it came into power.

Indeed. The Polish porter in the Hospital my Mum was in said he was going back to Poland because the area he lived in had been ruined by an influx of Romanians.

You've fallen for the Mail trope that asylum seekers are only ever undocumented young men. You need to educate yourself on the facts.

I said 15% of my dcs class was from EE...that is not an insignificant figure. Do you honestly think if schools in EE had a sudden influx of British kids that the people there would be absolutely fine with it?

I read somewhere recently that if the UK birth rate continues on its current trajectory, by the end of the next decade it will be below 1 per woman.

The "replacement rate", ie the birth rate required to keep a population stable, is generally accepted to be 2.1 per woman.

When you factor in increasing life expectancy, that would be an utter disaster.

It could be good on climate issues though and new tech may mitigate

"BUT I blame the government for not having the infrastructure in place to deal with it"

Just reposting that bit of my post that answers your question.

It's true that many immigrants think this. It's because they want to quietly get on with their lives then see the racism when immigration becomes more of a problem (it always was a problem probably but they started to feel accepted as they worked and dc made friends at school and so on)

That still assumes immigration is the primary problem rather than part of the solution (staffing, tax receipts etc)

Well, he enrages the smug, bullying, sanctimonious, intolerant, sneering liberals who dominate this country. And anything that upsets them makes me happy.

I hate to disappoint you, @JaneyGee, but he doesn't. The man who lost seven elections and resorted to going into the jungle for a bit of cheap populism (and even then didn't win) is little more than a laughing-stock to the left. It is generally recognised that, if he joined the Tory party and stood for office, he could only harm their chances of re-election, which suits the left just fine.

But, as has been pointed out, having children from Eastern Europe in a class tends if anything to enhance the quality of education. You claimed that having one more child in the class ten years ago negatively affected your child's education. That is obviously not true.

I think that's the root cause (in my particular part of the region anyway) but as I say I blame the government for not having the resources and infrastructure in place. So its a bit of a viscious circle (if that's the right phrase I'm looking for!)

I have no issue with immigration, whatsoever, my issue is with the government.

Isn't the influx of small boats and the inability to send them back to France a consequence of Brexit?

My husband said that before Brexit they could be returned to France, now they can't. Hence the necessity for the Rwanda deal.

The other thing with regard to schools is that certain demographics of families due in part to WFH being more common have tended to all move to the same 'sought after' places over and over again thatwere not necessarily on the radar if they had London based jobs ( possibly same applies in other city's too ) I've had friends move from London or Home Counties to York, Bath, Selby, Guildford, Winchester, Oxford, Brighton , Wirral, Frome, Stroud, Bristol - but the fact is they tend to be going to 'the same' places - and that will put pressure on schools in those areas- some parts of the country have opposite problems and falling role numbers. Many Villages often have a problem because they have lost basic or essential facilities , meaning families aren't automatically moving to them. It really isn't all to do with immigrants.

Can I just say as well with regards to GPs , there are many reasons for this, comfortably off GPs are thinking sod this much younger, or women GPs in particular going part time to balance families, Google has given us far more 'worried well' - many older people living longer with multiple ailments, and various other causes- it is not all to do with immigrants.

The number coming over in small boats is insignificant. The government allows hundreds of thousands to come here legally every year. Legal migration figures are huge. And the Rwanda deal is nonsense...no one will ever get sent there and if they did, it's only for a couple of hundred people and they've spent £150 million on it and counting. The amount of taxpayers money being wasted is an absolute scandal.

100%

We all know politicians go on these reality programmes to 'rehabilitate' or repair their image and appear like 'John Everyman' as Matt Hancock did last year.

But Jesus Nige, not even been out the jungle 24 hours and you're already straight back on TV talking politics trying to appeal to people.

So bloody obvious. NO SHAME.

So planned it's unreal.

His politics is still shockingly racist.

Perhaps you husband is talking about the Dublin agreement - a theoretical right for us to return asylum seekers to France.
Like many things in our EU membership, this was hardly used.
In some years it actually resulted in more people coming to the UK.

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I spoke about schools. I live in London

Don't be fooled by Farage. He has successfully carried out his plan of going on I'm A Celebrity, doing a decent job, coming across as a normal person. Most importantly not saying anything massively controverial while on the programme. Now he has rehabilated his regular-guy-down-the-pub image expect him to double down on his disgusting and frankly dangerous views.

Actually @JaneyGee in many parts of the country I think you will find it's dominated by plenty of illiberal , huge chip on their shoulder , extraordinarily opinionated with no practical experience 'experts' , racist and homophobic arses - otherwise guys like Lee Anderson or Big Bren simply wouldn't be getting in - For every StAlbans there is a Sutton in Ashfield ( I was actually born there and lived for 29 years- so I get the majority mentality very well) - how come it's sneering if anyone not from that background or those views dares to comment on it , but it's not sneering when anyone who doesn't agree gets all the comments of woke or snowflake etc (I'm not remotely woke by the way) - and we also have lots of posh and educated political figures pandering to these views for votes- (Rees Mogg types) whereas in reality - they don't give a rats arse about their circumstances

I don't support NF but see him as the result of how much many people dislike the Left.
The Conservatives may govern (for now) but there is a general feeling that the actual ruling is done by non-elected Left-wingers, the Civil Service for example.
And there's not a thing you can do about it.
So, people like NF are the only route that people can't vent their 'fuck you' feelings.
I would love to have seen him win, just to see certain people implode.

Can vent

It is so weird to me that people think that NF's "popularity" in the celebrity jungle will translate into votes. By that logic Sam Thompson should be the next prime minister of Britain.

@Comedycook London is a funny one, as it has more of the families 'moving out' - but definitely more 'immigration' moving in - and I understand why those moving in would pick it - I like London and we lived there for a good few years but if I'm really honest these days I would only want to live in very specific bits.

Fancy seeing yourself as a serious politician and then believing yourself a success for coming THIRD to some kid who "stars" in a reality TV show.