To agree with Nigel Farage?

[nds241]

I expect to be completely flamed here!

But I find myself agreeing with him. I've been watching TV this morning and have seen him do a couple of interviews following his exit from the jungle.

I voted Remain back in 2016 and have always voted Labour. So in the past I've obviously had very different political views from him m, but everything he said this morning about a population crisis, there being no real leader of the opposition and the Conservative Party being in a complete shambles made sense. I think he does speak a lot of what maybe others would be afraid to say. I honestly feel confused as to why I find myself agreeing with him.

Tell me I'm being unreasonable!

If he put as much effort into actually helping to fix our broken political system, like promoting Proportional Representation as he did into Brexit, he might actually have done something meaningful.

Correct me by all means but no need for swearing

@Clavinova I would be very suprised if Starmer did the same- I didn't vote Labour in 2019 -(I also live in a constituency with a very good Lib Dem MP) but even if I didn't I wouldn't have voted for Corbyn. I may be centre/centre left but I didn't agree with him on many things -

Swearing is allowed on here - when did the puritans take over?

Popular leaders

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episodes/p0gjlmkv/julius-caesar-the-making-of-a-dictator

Keir Starmer was in Jeremy Corbyn's shadow cabinet - I think Starmer is very left wing at heart.

Not only do we have an ageing population, we also have an increasingly unhealthy population due to the effects of austerity. But obviously it's easier to blame 'immigrants' for the strain on the NHS. Just as it's easier to blame 'benefit cheats', despite the fact working people having to claim (plus pensioners) make up a big share of the welfare bill. Why do people keep falling for the same old tricks?!

so, you have some superpower that let's you know people's immigration status when you look at them? let me guess, you assume the brown people are all immigrants?

yes of course immigrants are the problem. I mean it's not like they are propping up the NHS or anything

@nds241 yes OP you are being unreasonable. immigrants, and I am not talking about asylum seekers here. immigrants who are on work visas or student visas come here and are keeping the country ticking. if tomorrow they all (or most) left, this country would Grind to a halt. the NHS, the care sector and many other industries relies on immigrants. let's not forget what's happened after brexit and the loss of EU migrants. closing the door on the whole world will not solve anything. and remember they pay an NHS surcharge on TOP of their taxes.

I have worked in hospitals where most of the department is staffed by immigrants. if nigel and his fans keep up the rhetoric, people will stop coming. be careful what you wish for

Well, he enrages the smug, bullying, sanctimonious, intolerant, sneering liberals who dominate this country. And anything that upsets them makes me happy.

Of course he’s right about immigration. I am in rural Essex, which is now so crowded I could scream. At time, I feel like I’m suffocating. The traffic is so awful I hardly bother going out. I wouldn’t dream of visiting a local beauty spot on a sunny Saturday, for example. And I had to give up yoga after work because I just sat in traffic. My quality of life is deteriorating because of the sheer number of people. My local woods have been hacked into so developers can build blocks of flats, and at the other end of the village a giant new estate is being built that is more like a small town.

Last year, net immigration was 750,000. If you add in illegals, it was probably close to a million. If this continues, we’ll have to build two new Manchesters every year. There is only one word for this - insanity. But the left have such control over the media (along with the universities, publishing and the arts), and are so bulllying and vicious when people protest, that most of us keep quiet. This isn’t going to stop. People need to realise that the migration crisis is only just beginning. Africa’s birth rate is so high their population is going to double by 2050. I’ll be voting Reform next year, and I don’t give a f- what anyone on here thinks about that.

You 'think' that is what he meant.

Did he go on to explain what he thinks is the cause of this population crisis and what his methods would be in order to tackle it?

But the left have such control over the media

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Essex must be a parallel universe.

@Clavinova nah- I don't- I think he was in there as a sop to those not on the far left- just as I personally think that's the reason the other way around why Angela Rayner is there. I've never heard her make a great speech .

of course. he must have meant compulsory sterilisation.

But you know that the subtext is that he only wants to keep out foreigners he disapproves of, mainly because of the colour of their skins.

@BIossomtoes clearly only the guardian and the new European sold there!!

Since when were all asylum seekers undocumented migrants?

FYI the anti-immigration brigade have moved over to this thread. With these threads I’m wondering if the Daily Fail journalists were needing a bit more fodder today?
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/ami_being_unreasonable/4960999-house-building-is-out-of-control?utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=share

The "higher birth rate" solution is absurd. People stick to around 2/3 children for lots of reasons that have nothing to do with whether they can afford a larger house, so you would have to change an entire generation's mindset before that had any realistic effect; and you would still have to wait 20 years for the resulting extra children to grow up.

It is of course self-evident that Farage's objections to migration have sod-all to do with any moral objection to skilled people leaving their country of origin. Expelling recent arrivals wouldn't help their countries of origin either, given that there is no way you could force people to return there rather than go to any other country of their choice.

I don't feel like NF is implying that we should have no migration. But it definitely needs to be controlled as it's unsustainable the way it is now. That, and a mix of the Tories severely underfunding social services for the past 13 years has been disastrous.

I don’t think your beliefs are what you might like to think they are.

You'd be amazed how many immigrants think there's too much immigration to this country.

Tbf AI might override the need to lift birth rate or have high net migration anyway

He'll say whatever he thinks people want to hear to get them to support him.

Then he'll use that support to get publicity, and use that publicity to influence the Tories rightwards.

And he'll do it al because he's representative of some libertarian dickwads who think we should all be scrapping it out in the mud for a few capitalistic crumbs - no mat leave, holiday pay, employment or environmental protections etc. That's the agenda, immigration is neither here nor there. It's a device.

Exactly.