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To agree with Nigel Farage?

284 replies

nds241 · 11/12/2023 09:12

I expect to be completely flamed here!

But I find myself agreeing with him. I've been watching TV this morning and have seen him do a couple of interviews following his exit from the jungle.

I voted Remain back in 2016 and have always voted Labour. So in the past I've obviously had very different political views from him m, but everything he said this morning about a population crisis, there being no real leader of the opposition and the Conservative Party being in a complete shambles made sense. I think he does speak a lot of what maybe others would be afraid to say. I honestly feel confused as to why I find myself agreeing with him.

Tell me I'm being unreasonable!

OP posts:
BIossomtoes · 13/12/2023 22:08

Clavinova · 13/12/2023 20:08

BIossomtoes
The asylum seeker who committed suicide yesterday was a doctor

No, he wasn't - wrongly named;
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/man-died-bibby-stockholm-named-103317400.html

The fact still remains that we have a doctor incarcerated with all his skills and training going to waste concurrently with a crisis in the NHS. Why in the world aren’t we doing a skills inventory of those people, fast tracking the processing of the claims of doctors and nurses and putting them to work in the NHS and paying tax? It’s utter madness when we have skills shortages to just let skilled people rot.

Clavinova · 17/12/2023 13:13

BIossomtoes
The fact still remains that we have a doctor incarcerated with all his skills and training going to waste concurrently with a crisis in the NHS

The doctor on board the Bibby Stockholm (not the man who died) was reported to have been 'screaming at 3am' and has 'had some conflicts with security guys and the management' - why do you think he should walk into to a job with the NHS?

I know how much you like proof Clav

Proof of what though?

The doctor in the main photograph was actually refused asylum at the end of August this year - he is appealing (read elsewhere). It sounds as though he left the Devon hospital he was working at after a few months under a cloud (he mentions a complaint against him he claims was frivolous). His father and brother live in the UAE and his wife is in Egypt - is there any reason he can't join them? Another doctor in your link has had her asylum appeal 'refused multiple times'.

Why in the world aren’t we doing a skills inventory of those people, fast tracking the processing of the claims of doctors and nurses and putting them to work in the NHS and paying tax?

From your link;

“Allowing asylum seekers the right to work sooner would undermine our wider economic migration policy by enabling migrants to bypass work visa rules,” the spokesperson said.

“Asylum seekers can take up jobs on the shortage occupation list if their claim has been outstanding for 12 months or more, through no fault of their own.”

Anisette · 17/12/2023 13:21

“Allowing asylum seekers the right to work sooner would undermine our wider economic migration policy by enabling migrants to bypass work visa rules,” the spokesperson said.

But that's no answer, is it? Just saying "the rules are the rules" isn't any sort of justification. If the rules aren't sensible, they need to be adjusted.

BIossomtoes · 17/12/2023 13:25

Exactly @Anisette.

The doctor on board the Bibby Stockholm (not the man who died) was reported to have been 'screaming at 3am' and has 'had some conflicts with security guys and the management' - why do you think he should walk into to a job with the NHS?

Who knows what provocation has caused those “conflicts”. I reckon if I was incarcerated in a cell on the Bibby Stockholm I’d be screaming too.

Clavinova · 17/12/2023 13:59

I reckon if I was incarcerated in a cell

There are coaches into town every day.

BIossomtoes · 17/12/2023 14:16

Clavinova · 17/12/2023 13:59

I reckon if I was incarcerated in a cell

There are coaches into town every day.

At 3am?

Clavinova · 17/12/2023 14:20

At 3am?

The rooms are not locked - there's a TV room etc.

Clavinova · 17/12/2023 14:21

The rooms are not locked - from the outside

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