To agree with Nigel Farage?

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I expect to be completely flamed here!

But I find myself agreeing with him. I've been watching TV this morning and have seen him do a couple of interviews following his exit from the jungle.

I voted Remain back in 2016 and have always voted Labour. So in the past I've obviously had very different political views from him m, but everything he said this morning about a population crisis, there being no real leader of the opposition and the Conservative Party being in a complete shambles made sense. I think he does speak a lot of what maybe others would be afraid to say. I honestly feel confused as to why I find myself agreeing with him.

Tell me I'm being unreasonable!

YABU. He’s a jumped-up public schoolboy racist. You’ve fallen for a poundshop Oswald Mosley.

We have a population crisis in the sense that we have 100k social care vacancies and won’t allow asylum seekers to work - how bloody sensible that is! And the Tories are unquestionably a shambles, not least because of Farage’s beloved Brexit. What a nasty little hypocrite he is.

I found him to be pretty boring and vanilla in the jungle - hardly a mastermind far right dictator type.

Anyway, I think it is unquestionable that having 800,000 immigrants come into the country a year is both unsustainable and has a massive impact on our local communities - some may describe that impact as positive, for others it may be hugely detrimental but either way, we should be talking about it in a much more grown up way than just screaming 'racist' and if NF is prepared to have that conversation and keep going with it, then more power to him.

YABU

One can agree about the problem without agreeing about the solution

This what is the population crisis? I disagree with that.

I like the expression other have used: a stopped clock is right twice a day.

Also the three things you’ve mentioned are quite broad, I think if you actually heard Nigel’s solutions for resolving these things you’d be more shocked. I imagine his solution to this “population crisis” is to stop immigrants and send them back…

If you aim your points at a high enough level, then it’s very easy to ensure people agree with you. The devil, as the saying goes, is in the detail.

Take for example, Farage’s statement of the absolute obvious about the shambles that is the Conservative Party. This is something anyone who isn’t lying would agree with.

Agreeing with Farage at that level of non-specificity does not mean that you are going to agree with him on what the specific problems really are or with his proposed solutions.

Always beware politicians talking in broad generalisations. It’s easy to bring people with you under false pretences when you don’t discuss the detail of your arguments and proposals. Farage is extremely good at this.

I’m pretty sure that’s not the type of population crisis he was referring to!

Brilliant idea. Undocumented migrants will almost certainly pass enhanced DBS checks essential for working with vulnerable adults 👍

I mean a child could tell you that the current government is shit. But I wouldn't want major decisions about the country made by a child either

But we have an ageing population and low birth rate.....which means we ultimately need migration of work aged skilled people

I found myself agreeing with something he said during the pandemic, it was unsettling. Given the wide range of topics - population, immigration, health and social care, environment, education, transport, international relations, trade, business, energy, food - and the broad range of views within those categories, you’d be hard pushed to find someone who you disagree with every single thing they say. There is always going to be some shared views but as others have said it’s what 90% of his views are and what his proposed solutions are.

I don’t think anyone is afraid to say that conservatives are in crisis, more right wing, labour is lacking clear leadership. I think a lot of people feel really conflicted about who they will vote for - Tories are abysmal but all the other parties are just lacking.

Of course we do. And not just for skilled people, we have a huge number of unskilled vacancies too.

Farage would probably agree with our primary school's campaign for a new zebra crossing. Doesn't mean he's not a racist fuckwit.

This, in a nutshell.

Thing is...that's not a huge amount in that time frame:

UK - 17.5% increase
Sweden - 21.6% increase
Spain - 22.3% increase
Norway - 29% increase
Whole world - 52% increase

Now, when you look at some EU countries...

Germany - 4.9% increase
France - 11.6% increase

...you do sort of wonder where Farage's argument that EU membership was the cause of our immigration problems came from.

Or we could try to resolve the situation by encouraging a higher birth rate. One way to do this would be to stop immigration and reduce pressure on housing so that younger people would be able to afford a bigger home to have a family.

Using immigration as a sticking plaster is a very short-sighted approach. It's a bit like having a really smelly toilet and trying to mask the smell with air fresheners rather than doing the unpleasant thing of giving it a thorough clean. It's dealing with the symptom not the cause.

It's also morally questionable to use immigration in this way. You do realise that for every doctor or carer who comes to the UK, that's one less doctor or carer available in their country of origin? This is the main reason we should end immigration and expel recent (say last 25 years) arrivals, to redress the balance and help other countries rather than our own selfish needs.

The population crisis here is the huge number elderly/aging and no one to replace them in the workforce.
‘Tackling the population crisis’ should mean more immigration to provide care and infrastructure of them. Or a cull of the elderly. But somehow I don’t think he means either of those things…

But unless you're going to vote for the person I don't really get the point in announcing it.

There's a difference between agreeing with one thing a person says out of the millions of awful things they have said and fully endorsing them because of it, and despite all of the other things.

So which is it OP? Do just agree with what he said today, or do you think he should be running the country? Do you think he would bring about positive change?

he doesn't want illegal immigrants regardless of circumstances into the UK and blames Europe France mainly for "letting them in" he can fancy it up all he likes that is fundamentally his beliefs you are allowed to agree with that

. I haven't watched I'm a celebrity in 2 years because of ex politicians being in it so I'm sure NF came across fine I saw he got to the final, but his whole ethos is still
keep "them" out.

And this is exactly how Nigel Farage works

makes the odd comment people will agree with, he makes good tv either as the voice of reason or the pantomime villain which ever side you feel you are on, he places himself as the man of the people who feel left behind and speaks out for the majority (this is his spin)

he is very very good at this but he is not a serious politician he is an agitator, self promoter who loves a campaign he isn’t interested in serious politics the negotiations, the hard endless work, the endless meetings please just keep that on mind

he has won over lots of people on his stint of I’m a Celeb and that is exactly what he wanted to do now his next move he can choose

a higher birth rate woudlnt solve the problem for atleast 20 years.....we do need a sticking plaster.

I live in Iraq, do you know how many doctors this country has??? So many are working in UK too, alot have actually completed medicine degress in UK. It works both ways. And the money gets sent back ultimately.

I found him to be pretty boring and vanilla in the jungle

Lots of people can't comprehend that personality doesn't always correspond to your political views.

For all those people who say immigration isnt an issue and we need them. 750,000 people coming to the UK last year. They have to live somewhere, have their children educated somewhere. If you are top of the housing waiting list and living in say parts of Kent. Are you OK with someone jumping the queue because their need is greater than yours?

We cannot sustain 750k extra people coming every year. Yes, we could build more houses for everyone but I bet people dont want to pay for it. They want others to pay! Labour will probably win the next election but Angela Rayner on the world stage..... If there was a choice between say Rayner and Farage I wonder who the country would pick??

didnt we already have a cull? 💀

Needing people to work in social care and the aging population is just a huge pyramid scheme. Keep increasing the population and what do you think will happen in fifty years time...more elderly who need care so more immigrants to work in social care and on and on.