To agree with Nigel Farage?

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I expect to be completely flamed here!

But I find myself agreeing with him. I've been watching TV this morning and have seen him do a couple of interviews following his exit from the jungle.

I voted Remain back in 2016 and have always voted Labour. So in the past I've obviously had very different political views from him m, but everything he said this morning about a population crisis, there being no real leader of the opposition and the Conservative Party being in a complete shambles made sense. I think he does speak a lot of what maybe others would be afraid to say. I honestly feel confused as to why I find myself agreeing with him.

Tell me I'm being unreasonable!

You are talking about asylum seekers.....we need skilled work migrants, not families that cant support themselves.

Can you describe an example of how migration has negatively effected you?
Is it all the healthcare workers? (lots now left and we’re struggling to replace them)
Is it all the farm workers and crop pickers? (lots now left and we’re struggling to replace them)
Is it all the hospitality staff? (lots now left and we’re struggling to replace them)
Or is it the fact we’ve had our opportunities to ‘migrate’ reduces with the loss of our freedom of movement?
Any expert will tell you how migrants ADD to our economy, it’s us who cost more.
He is doing a great job using the popularist/ far right play book. It’s gas lighting on a grand scale and you start to doubt reality, and stop looking at the unbelievable levels of fraud and law breaking.
The reality is migration is not a big deal like the unconscionable actions of this government and our foreign owned media are just making it worse.
Go and watch some Led By Donkeys videos to come back to reality.

That’s what I thought too

The Milkshake Orator keeps turning up like a bad penny. And now there's talk of our Fridge Hider returning to the throne to really fudge pack us (because it wasn't enough the last time).
Spare us from all of these assclowns riding us all to hell.
Go ahead and agree with NF, OP. But beware of false prophets, apostles of exploitation.

And even hard working, net contributor immigrants need a home to live in and we have a huge housing crisis

The reality is migration is not a big deal

I don't think that is true at all, and it is not all about economics. Communities that have built up over centuries and irreparably changed by high levels of migration and that is something that is important to most human beings. Obviously you get the racist accusations when you say something like that, but community matters a lot to your quality of life and wellbeing and I find it obnoxious that people seem to have no concern for that

So you plan to replace doctors with babies?

100% agree with this. The world is so divided by this either/or narrative - e.g if you support Brexit then you're automatically a racist or if you vote Labour then by default you 'must' also believe X, Y and Z.

We're now in a position where we can barely have friends or work alongside people who see politics differently to us. Being able to at least listen to 'the other side' and see if there's a teeny point of commonality, is a good thing!

Re housing crisis. Anyone else live in a city with streets of dilapidated vacant houses? Wouldn’t it be lovely if all those unemployed young people were given apprenticeships and learnt how to repair them for those in need? But that is a suggestion for the social good so will not happen under this Gov as it wouldn’t make them (personally) any money.
This wouldn’t solve the housing issue BUT if I can come up with that in 5 seconds how many other schemes could Gov come up with if they spent time thinking rather than gaslighting and victim blaming?

So the car washes working for cash, the often Vientnamese people working in nail bars which are often rammed. I have alwyas wondered why they arent raided every day. The one near me only takes cash... they are not contributing towards the economy. They are sending money back home but in the meantime where are they living what health service are they using (that they havent contributed to)?

Farage is a distruptor. Watch him in the next few months. With the Tories making error after error Labour almost need to do nothing (Starmer sitting on the fence time and time again). Put Farage back in and see what happens!

He is speaking to the Red Wall, man/women in the street. Imagine living where your local authoirty has no money to improve your area. They are almost bankrupt.

Yes, I do agree adult social care is a mess. We are living so much longer and not necessarily in a good way. My parents have had to pay £££ to live in care homes. Luckily they had houses with equity in them but who is paying the £1200 PER WEEK to look after the elderly who for one reason or another dont have savings? I support some sort of tax that we pay for individually to support us in old age. Compulsory for all. Yes, you might not need care but its to support the wider population. Yes, even the self employed need to pay.

This

https://fb.watch/oSDuv4dBV8/

Hope that link works but if not just search for Led by Donkeys Who is Nigel Farage.
That will help if you're having any doubts about him.

What's your objection to Angela Rayner exactly? Don't you want the "World Stage" to be aware that not everyone in the UK is from the South of England and Oxbridge?

Nigel Farage is like all politicians, they can have a certain charm, give speeches where you agree with most of it, but then they have to throw in the divisive part to pander to their support base.

As for migration, it would be good if we could link migration numbers with key infrastructure. We build x amount of Houses, Schools, Hospitals and that aligns with migration numbers, if whatever ruling party does not hit or exceeds those metrics, then the number of people legally entering the country is adjusted………I have no idea how we handle illegal migrants!

The posters who chimed in (sorry for the pun, couldn't help myself) with "stopped clock right twice a day" are correct.
I hate the overwhelming majority of the things Andrew Tate and his brother spout, but often they articulate a point well and I agree with it.
It doesn't mean I agree with them per se, just the one or two well made points.
Nigel is not and will never be my cuppa but he is to millions very charismatic and probably can articulate quite well failings in society. I think we also tend to agree with people who speak with absolute confidence and he has that in droves.
I agree with loads of shit people I find abhorrent say and likewise, disagree with people I adore.
Don't let it worry you lass. Doesn't mean you're turning into someone you don't like, you're just able to accept the views of people and listen to them whilst forming your own opinions.
I'm a leftie and I always take great care to treat those on the right with respect and listen to why they feel differently to me. Because division has got us all in a great big fucking mess - if we all listened to what people wanted to see and what changes society could make to improve the lives of not just one set of people, be privileged or disadvantaged, maybe we'd actually form a bit of harmony because how we're living currently is awful. 💔

It's easy to call everyone on the opposite side to us every cunt under the sun, accuse them of stupidity, all the rest of it. Gets us absolutely nowhere. Nobody is happier, we're all dead angry at the wrong people.

I assume he mentioned a population in relation to immigration? Well immigration has increased since Brexit! Abd we need immigration. We actually have a real labour shortage at the moment.
Can't stand the man.

Something has got to change. Boris won a huge majority four years ago. Then Covid hit, Urkraine etc. I honestly dont think Labour are capable of anything very much apart from moving papers around and trying to look busy. The non dom status supposed savings has been used up a number of times and very likely will end up being used to pay teachers more and as we all know salaries are almost always the highest cost in a a business.

Rayner is a real issue for me. She has been put in because they want people to look at her and recognise themselves. Single parent, very young having had a child etc but I honestly dont believe the 18/19 year who has a young child themselves actually bothers to vote. Her boyfriend was actually on a picket line. What if she was in government herself as DPM. Would she be on the picket line too??

That's a reasonable argument...however, it points to a slightly different conclusion: the problem isn't immigration alone, but the combination of immigration plus over a decade of austerity and baffling economic decisions that have led to a near-complete collapse of the public services required to support a growing population.

However, we don't have to support 750k extra people every year. The UK's population growth is "only" about 200k/year (roughly 0.4%). Weirdly, the number of deaths is actually pretty close to the number of immigrants (in the 650k-700k range).

Don’t underestimate the part that Farage and the current Tory government have played in creating that situation though. Creating division is how they operate. Creating division over a ‘population crisis’ they engineered is a well known tactic.

He's very good at politics. The things you mentioned have objective truth at the heart (ageing population and falling birthrate, tories are a mess, starmer isn't exactly firing up the nation)

However he then discreetly leads people to a cause of the problem and a solution that don't make sense.

Eg immigration. Maybe it's been too high, that was a calculated decision by politicians who could have restricted it under eu rules. Farage heaped up everything on immigration and blamed it for housing crisis, difficulty seeing a gp etc. Proposed brexit as a solution. Brexit means France now under no obligation to stop refugees heading to UK so volume of refugees arriving goes up. Need a new foreign bogeyman so they pick on echr. Really we just need sensible rules, competent government and international collaboration.

They're all about getting people riled up with a sense of being hard done by but they never have positive solutions. It's all about getting rid of regulations and authorities to let corporations do whatever they want. They make it sound like it's about individual freedom but before you know it, you're on a zero hours minimum wage contract, the waterways are full of shit and etc. They don't believe in civil society.

Farage was in the national front and flirted with nazi stuff at school - he's the same person, he's just found a respectable mask to wear.

brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr - your comments make no sense at all.

So are the young men on small boats actually going to become carers for your elderly relatives? I have seen first hand the shortage and tbh the standard of the staff in care homes most of whom are actually from abroad. Twice previously I had to speak to the home about incidents with my late Father. One carer just suddenly didnt turn up for work after the first incident and the other was fired due to some CCTV that I dont want to go into but was shocking. My Father did literally fight back but got pushed to the floor due to his mobility.

He is someone the public love to hate, but he is actually a clever man. He is more direct that other politicians and surprisingly makes sense in a cold kind of way. We can afford to be generous to a certain extent now in hosting displaced foreign nationals, but we hope not to get to a stage where his politics will be necessary.

Brexit means France now under no obligation to stop refugees heading to UK so volume of refugees arriving goes up

The people coming over in boats are virtually irrelevant in the immigration debate despite what we're led to believe. Legal net migration is 3/4 million a year currently. The small number of people coming over in boats is nothing compared to the huge levels of migration the government is in charge of.

I think he does speak a lot of what maybe others would be afraid to say.

What, the stuff you see on MN every day? Those dozens if not hundreds of posts daily? I don't think anyone's 'afraid' to say anything on here.

They love to say they are, though. And they are being a faux naive, OP, to an agenda.