Adults who don't dress properly for winter

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Driving me mad.
I work in an office where must people have a commute or a decent walk to get to work . I'd say about 90% can't dress themselves properly.
Young woman next to me ankle trainer socks. Midriff showing. Pissing and moaning about being cold. It's 1 degree outside and it's December.
It's raining and they come in wearing canvas shoes and a fluffy coat. No umbrella or waterproofs. Then expect to have the heating on full whack all day to dry their coats and shoes out.
In a training room all day where the lead trainer (middle aged, old enough to know better) insisted on having the heating cranked up all day because she's wearing a thin acrylic jumper and got cold to the bones on the way to work and can't warm up.
Everyone without exception has access to the weather forecast via their phones. It shouldn't be a shock when it's raining or cold. Yet they dress like it's May, all year round.
They earn decent money and aren't hard up so it's not a financial issue (maybe with some of the VERY junior/ young ones fair enough )

AIBU to fed up of people moaning about being cold or wet but making zero attempt to dress appropriately for the weather ?

I work in a shop, where I am freezing most of the time. Lots of customers (mostly men, oddly) come in during winter wearing shorts and t shirts and tell me how cold it is in the shop (like I don't know!). When I ask them if they don't get cold outside, they tell me that they go straight from warm house to warm car and then back again - I just have to hope that their car doesn't break down and leave them to walk home! And I also wonder about their heating bills at home, but then I am a general coldarse who wears about fifteen layers from October to April.

I teach, so I rarely sit down. The temperature in my room goes up and down like a yo-yo as classes come and go, but never above about 18 degrees in winter (as read by classroom thermometer).

I wear layers (including a slip or a cami). Kids wear layers too - school shirt, jumper, blaser, coat, hats and gloves. The layers come on and off through the day.

When they’re in their shirt sleeves complaining they’re cold, I suggest first of all jumper (they don’t seem to realise that yes, this will be warmer than just a blaser) then an additional ‘base layer’ (or ‘skin’ as they call them) under the shirt. They quite like that as the sporty ones have them for outdoor games anyway. Or a cami for girls. I never say ‘vest’ though. They don’t like that and would think I’m a crazy old lady 😜 , which to be fair is an image I like to cultivate.

I might take the same approach with a naïve colleague, who inappropriately dressed, complains of the cold. Keep it light hearted though. She actually might not really have a clue how to dress.

We are in the middle of a climate crisis and fuel prices are through the roof. We live in the Northern hemisphere. I don’t think it’s reasonable or practical to expect indoor premises to be heated to summer temperatures (e.g. 25) in mid winter. Likewise I despise air con fascists who insist on turning temp down to 16 in summer when were all in summer clothes (not that we have air con in school). They’re just as bad.

The Royal Society of Chemistry has room temperature as 20 degrees centigrade which is actually a nice comfortable temperature to most people. A pack of 3 camis costs £10 from Morrisons.

YABU, I would expect to be warm enough inside in an office without needing to wear thermals, coats, gloves. It’s sedentary and needs to be warmer than if you’re in an active role in warehouse or something. It’s also different to snuggling up with a blanket, oodie, hot water bottle (and dog/ cat) at home or heading out for hike/ dog walk/ sledging. There’s nothing worse than being cold.

I get it @Nospecialcharactersplease
I was in my 20s before I understood the difference a good coat made. I'd never had one, so how would I know what a game changer it was? To me a coat was a coat and I'd get the cheapest I could. I'd also spend what money I had where it showed, so my indoor clothes that I wore all day would be prioritised over a coat I took off as soon as I arrived somewhere.
I also remember a colleague explaining to me the importance of socks and hats in keeping your whole body temp up. Id assumed they just kept feet and heads warm.
As for merino jumpers, I'd never even heard of them before MN.

It’s not just me though is it? Most people want a normal indoor temperature. One where you don’t have to bundle up in layers but still have freezing fingers and nose. The reason it’s too warm for you in the office is that the majority have won out, I’d guess. (I don’t wear wool next to my skin or I’m so uncomfortable I can’t concentrate, but of course I wear socks outside the house)

What these people don’t grasp is that it’s natural to be cold in winter and also natural to be hot in summer. I do think people who seem to be constantly roasting hot in the middle of winter when it’s below zero degrees outside need to stop telling everyone else to put more layers on. Yes I agree it is extremely silly for people to turn up in a thin blouse with no jumper or cardigan but the ‘constantly hot’ brigade can’t expect everyone else to wear layer upon layer and sit with the heating very low or turned off just because that ONE person is too hot! If it’s one person who is too hot when the majority of the office is too cold I’d say the issue is with them and not everyone else. I was sat in my office last week, thick tights and a cardigan but couldn’t have the heater on because my colleague ends up sweating and she feels obliged to moan but whenever I say I’m cold she just says “you need to put more layers on”! Errr no how about you wear less layers rather than turning up in a thick jumper dress!!!!

Plus even if you wrap up warm your hands are still absolutely freezing!

22 degrees isn’t ’cranked up’ heating. It’s a fairly normal indoor room temperature.

Also, you are clearly the outlier here. Everyone else except you doesn’t bundle up in layers and thermals (and neither would I, because I’m going to work and not climbing Kilimanjaro) and everyone else except you likes the heating at 22C. So I’m afraid the problem here is you, rather than them.

Nope. They look like cycling shorts - made out of thin flimsy sweat wicking fabric. 🙄

Well said! 22 degrees is a perfectly normal temperature for an office! If someone has issues with that then they ARE the issue! Like I said in an earlier post, there is always that ONE person in an office who is always boiling hot and thinks everyone else should sit shivering all day or wear more layers because that person is hot! It’s natural to feel cold in winter, just as it’s natural to feel hot in summer! Someone who constantly complains they are too hot in winter - I’m afraid the issue lies with them!

I can’t afford to have the central heating on for more than an hour a day. I’m currently wearing M&S heat tech thermals with a merino wool jumper I inherited from an ex over the top. I’ve also got a blanket around me and a hot water bottle. I didn’t have central heating growing up so I’m used to feeling cold in the winter.

I’m so drained worrying about the cost of everything. I’ve got a light on because it’s so dark outside and I can’t see otherwise, and I’m stressed about how much that’s costing 😳

I genuinely don’t know how people can afford to have their heating at 22°C right now.

22 degrees is a normal office temperature. I'm sensitive to heat so I dress lighter at work. No wonder you're sweating in thermals

Why are people acting like 22 degrees is boiling hot?!

how some of you cope abroad I’ll never know

Back in the day (late 1970s) when I regularly used to go clubbing, everywhere had a cloakroom, so you could wear a coat and have somewhere safe to put it. Do clubs not have cloakrooms any more?

I don’t get it either. How someone can be boiling hot at 22 degrees and below I’ll never know. I find it strange how some people are constantly hot in the middle of winter and then feel the need to moan at everyone else because they are too hot because the room is at a reasonable temperature

I've worked outside in the high 30s. I find 22 unpleasant as an indoor heated temperature while wearing normal indoor winter clothing. It feels very different to when it is 22 without heating in summer.

Im currently sat in a 18 degree office and wearing sheepskin uggs, jeans, merino long sleeve vest, thick hoodie with the hood up, and a rab down jacket that alleges to be ultra warm and I am freezing my tits off.

It's the not moving about because im working at a computer that does it so I can understand how others feel the cold in "normal" temps

I can't bear wool, it makes me itch. And if I'm not supposed to be wearing trainer or ankle socks what should I be wearing with my trainers?

You should be able to work in an office in winter in a woolly jumper or knitted dress. That was never the case in the last place I worked. You’d boil.

I would?
Or you would?

One would. (Also known as 'you'.)

Growing in the North East, nobody wore a coat to get clubbing. You just didn’t didn’t! When I got to University in Manchester, friends were like. ‘Where’s your coat?’

No, @marshmallowfinder that doesn’t work in this instance. As has been shown repeatedly, some people are allegedly ‘toasty’ at 17.5 degrees, others need 22+. Most are happy around 20ish.
My point was that @KimberleyClark said ‘you’ would boil in a warmish dress. Clearly some would and some wouldn’t. ‘One’ would only apply if there were one room temperature at which this would be true for everyone. I was suggesting she reflect on whether the office in question was objectively boiling, or just hotter than she personally would like. I’d bet on the former.

YANBU
Working in an office, i used to have a jumper/cardigan on the back of my chair for times of cold. Be organised enough to realise that whole place isn't going to shift to accommodate you.

Wonder if these people go in restaurants and ask for the heating turned up because they wore a summer dress, no Sharon - get a coat.

Who is Sharon?