Adults who don't dress properly for winter

[Bearpawk]

Driving me mad.
I work in an office where must people have a commute or a decent walk to get to work . I'd say about 90% can't dress themselves properly.
Young woman next to me ankle trainer socks. Midriff showing. Pissing and moaning about being cold. It's 1 degree outside and it's December.
It's raining and they come in wearing canvas shoes and a fluffy coat. No umbrella or waterproofs. Then expect to have the heating on full whack all day to dry their coats and shoes out.
In a training room all day where the lead trainer (middle aged, old enough to know better) insisted on having the heating cranked up all day because she's wearing a thin acrylic jumper and got cold to the bones on the way to work and can't warm up.
Everyone without exception has access to the weather forecast via their phones. It shouldn't be a shock when it's raining or cold. Yet they dress like it's May, all year round.
They earn decent money and aren't hard up so it's not a financial issue (maybe with some of the VERY junior/ young ones fair enough )

AIBU to fed up of people moaning about being cold or wet but making zero attempt to dress appropriately for the weather ?

OK, I get it. You're right - having parents with no common sense is outside my personal experience and maybe I was lucky in that respect.

But your experience is remarkable, so try not to be upset when so many posters remark on it.

I'm amazed you can adjust the temperature of the office. Surely it has to be set at a temperature that if good for everyone, and it's not up to individuals to fiddle with?

22 degrees is hot for indoors in the winter. 20 would be more standard, and then you wear a jumper. Because it's winter, so you wear winter clothes.

Having said that, two of my children are still going to school in T shirts and won't put on a jumper because the classroom is so hot.

Still don’t see your point to my reply as it had nothing to do with what you are saying but anyway….. 🤣

Maybe he just wasn't cold? My 11 year old will happily go out in shorts and t-shirt in all weathers. He is a proper northern lad though.

At least two posters have shared a study saying 22-24 is ideal for work.
I don’t know why - I’m sure there’s a scientific reason - but when outside temp is 18 I’m happy in sandals and light clothing. When it’s cold outside and I heat my house to 18 I need an oodie. It’s not the same somehow.

You can't fathom being too hot as being very uncomfortable because you are a cold all the time person. I can fathom that the opposite is also uncomfortable and that I wouldn't dream of asking for conditions that make the office unbearable for the other end of the spectrum just for me to be comfortable. I can acknowledge that you are the other end of the scale to me, but still think there should be a "medium" and not complain. You were complaining that your office mate isn't the same as you. That's the point.

It’s not just associated with autism - apart from the short sleeves, I am the same. No wool next to my skin thanks. No socks or slippers. Gloves are horrible and make me feel colder. Scarves just get damp from my breath. Hats make my head itch.

During working hours the temperature in all indoor workplaces must be reasonable. There’s no law for minimum or maximum working temperatures, eg when it’s too cold or too hot to work. However, guidance suggests a minimum of 16ºC or 13ºC if employees are doing physical work..

From Gov.UK ^^

The NHS recommends a minimum temperature at home of 18 degrees, which (for me) isn't very warm if you are not moving around.

I hear you @Bearpawk

I used to work with a woman who had invested in a selection of sleeveless shift dresses with matching jackets for work and she liked to wear the jacket on the back of her chair.

There were constant rows about heating because many of us felt either uncomfortably oppressed by the heat or sleepy at the temperature she wanted the office.

I don't know why she was so ideologically opposed to putting on a a cardi

While I do think work place should be aware of the issues related to menopause, I don’t think everyone else in them should be cold because one woman is perimenopausal.

I’ve posted two things that say 22-24 are the ideal temperatures for indoors. It’s not ‘hot’

ypu just don’t get that some people feel the cold more than you and that it isn’t a failing, do you?
Several posters have said this, but here it is again:
Some people feel cold at temperatures you would feel warm.
Some people don’t feel warm just by layering up.
Some people find layers uncomfortable or restrictive.
Layering doesn’t keep some people’s face and hands warm.
Your desire for a cool temperature isn’t more important than other people’s desire to be warm.

21's not exactly a "cool temperature" though, is it?

Neither do I and that's not what I was saying. It's when people don't dress appropriately for the weather (as per the op) and THEN complain they are cold in the office, while I am in as little clothing as possible with an internal furnace raging.

Are people really this self centred?
Being too hot is worse FOR YOU. Most people would like not to have to be encumbered by loads of layers and still have cold hands when AT WORK in an INDOOR setting.
People keep telling you that layers don’t solve everyone’s problems but you (and others) persist with this nonsense that everyone prefers to be fucking freezing.

Most could afford second hand lambswool jumpers, they go for less than a fiver on vinted.

An air temperature of 24 degrees increases the incidence of heart attacks and strokes I believe.

Anything above 21 increases the risk of cot death in babies.

18-21 is the recommended temperature for most settings.

You’ve not read the stuff posted by others that recommends 22-24 then?
At 18 I need a thermal base layer and an oodie (it’s my home temp). I don’t think that’s suitable work attire so I’m going to need my place of work to be significantly warmer.

It recommends 22-24 as a maximum I believe.

Completely agree! Well said! We can’t put gloves on our hands and cover our faces up to stop our nose and face feeling cold otherwise how are we supposed to work? Maybe we should wear balaclavas with holes cut out for the eyes and look like a criminal to appease the “I can’t stand being hot in normal office temperatures” brigade!

Sorry i don't understand what you weren't told

The TUC stuff is more in the context of what work temperatures should be reduced to in times of extreme heat.

22-24 is suggested as a reasonable and safe comfort zone since 24 is as high as it gets before the ill effects such as increased heart attacks and strokes start to kick in.

www.tuc.org.uk/sites/default/files/Temperature.pdf

Read my posts, I’ve explained this at length.

This was probably my husband, he's from Northern Norway and has been cutting about in shorts and a t-shirt all week while I've been bundled up in 76 layers. He thinks I'm a right wuss as he's used to winters that go down into the -°20's.

I understand the frustration at people in an office not dressing appropriately meaning everyone else has to be boiled alive by heating, but why do you have a problem with someone on the street just wearing what they want? Or did you just want to have a wanky brag about your merino wool jumper, North Face jacket and Timberland boots?

Are people really this self centred?
Being too hot is worse FOR YOU. Most people would like not to have to be encumbered by loads of layers and still have cold hands when AT WORK in an INDOOR setting.
People keep telling you that layers don’t solve everyone’s problems but you (and others) persist with this nonsense that everyone prefers to be fucking freezing.

Ha ha, right back at you - how self centred to expect everyone else to be fucking sweltering because you don't like wool or socks 🙄