Grandad's Pride is being read on milkshake on channel 5 - not acceptable! AIBU

[grandadspride]

Milkshake story den.

Why are we reading books about pride, gender and drag to pre-school children.

Ok thanks.

Report your post so MNHQ sees it and ask why - because at the moment, it seems they are playing into the hands of someone who is desperately trying to get “evidence” of transphobia. That poster is now able to crow about your posts needing to be deleted for being transphobic (when no one can see what they said).

I don't think anyone said it's transphobic not to find male sexual organs attractive.

The book has more than one 'pansexual' flag in it, btw. Here's one, in the window.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pansexual_flag

Slightly offtopic but ... Mammalian reproductive biology is pretty much binary and no, you can't change sex.

Large gametes, small gametes. No-one can produce both. Bodies start genetically different and develop physically along two different pathways, with two different reproductive systems and genitalia and also other physical effects such as size and musculature. Very rarely a pathway gets blocked, or a non functioning vestige of the other reproductive system grows in place.

Monkeying around with healthy people's sex hormones and with surgery messes up their reproductive organs and makes them non-existent or non-functional. It messes up people's physical health too. But it doesn't change people's sex. It doesn't change their genotype, and it only changes a few cosmetic aspects of their sexed phenotype. It doesn't create an overall body structure like the opposite sex, hardly even visually and certainly not functionally. No-one gets a functioning reproductive system of the other sex. The chances of even getting a halfway usable set of genitalia are not that brilliant, never mind genitalia that are functionally anything like those of the other sex.

Wishful thinking changes none of that. You can't change sex. If you think you can then you have been massively mis-sold. Sorry!

The only thing that will never be accepted in regards to sexual orientation is Paedophilia (well i damn well fkg hope not.)

I think this might be a naive view. There's lots of nasty shift that i doubt you want to tolerate.

MN have deleted more than one transphobic post, not just from OP (and so not just reported by me either).

How do you know?

I didn't say you could change sex.

The post was there, it now says 'deleted my MN' and is greyed out - someone must have reported it or MN are watching the thread. I know I didn't report that post.

But you claimed that we don't understand biology. We do.

The “MAP” sandwiched between a child and a Polaroid camera is absolutely shocking! I’m so glad my children are older. I do worry for my (as yet unborn) grandchildren though.

Also, in the picture of the author there is another of their books called “Grandad’s Camper” in the background. This made me laugh.

Also, as my wife just pointed out- most gay men don’t go about in fetish gear, they wear jumpers like everyone else! Why the need to sexualise ‘gay’? Especially in a kids book.

Trans people are not like Tinkerbell, people like the op recognising reality over their beliefs doesn’t ‘cease their existence’ doesn’t make them disappear. They will still believe they’re a different gender to their biological sex but that doesn’t mean everyone has to accept gender beliefs as a scientific reality. People can ‘see’ themselves however they want, but if that wholly hangs on other people validating how they’re seen then unfortunately life is going to be difficult.

You cannot expect the whole human race to suddenly play a very big game of Emperors New Clothes to spare feelings.

Think again - according to Stonewall, Mermaids…

Rejecting males who consider themselves lesbians is considered bigoted, transphobic and discriminatory.

Genital preferences are transphobic.

Also - have a look at the “cotton ceiling” - it is VERY eye opening and so horrific.

I could say the same to you?

Please show us where it is incomplete where medical science does not yet understand the development paths of sex organs in humans.

And you are now trying to leverage brain sex into the argument. No. YOU wish to believe those who are seeking to create an ambiguity around well established areas of study. Yes. Brains are affected by sex based hormones and interests. However, not one study has been able to prove that any human has a brain that is ‘male’ or ‘female’. If there was, they’d be using it for diagnosis for gender dysphoria.

You seem to be trying to convince others based on pseudoscience theory and misinformation. I would advise you to stop doing that unless you have evidence to prove your claims.

Instead you are here shaming posters discussing the issues with that book. A book even you acknowledge has safeguarding issues around the boundaries needed for children.

What do you believe being a different gender is then? What exactly in brain development makes you not the biological male or female you were born?

How so? Have we not been clear about the distinction between having a belief and an absolute fact yet?

I’ve started a count down for the shunting to the naughty corner. I’m surprised the thread has lasted this long in AIBU!

Did the publisher remove the leather bondage picture or did they just not show it on TV? I noticed a lot of trans references and not many about homosexuality.

I meant anyone on this thread, as I thought that was being referred to.

I definitely think there are many complex issues around the concept of being trans, but ultimately we all reject people we don't find attractive, based on a whole host of things.

You've been clear about your opinion, yes.

You've been clear about your opinion, yes.

The binary and immutable nature of sex is a biological fact. Not an opinion.

There really really are. Including friends of mine on fb. I just wanna give up sometimes