Grandad's Pride is being read on milkshake on channel 5 - not acceptable! AIBU

[grandadspride]

Milkshake story den.

Why are we reading books about pride, gender and drag to pre-school children.

Are you now trying to leverage people’s medical conditions, those that are Differences in Sex Development into this thread to further shame people who disagree with you on some issues, including your personal definition of what is transphobic or not?

And you seem to believe you have some moral high ground here. Far from it. Some of those contributing to this thread or just reading along do indeed understand that even those differences happen along the lines of two categories of sexed bodies in humans. Many of those conditions only affect one sex and not the other. They prove sex is binary and immutable.

It would be harmful misinformation to be saying that it is not. What is it that you are getting at here ?

Of course I have considered what I know to be transphobic - OP's post are.
I accept that others don't/won't see it, sometimes because they don't want to.

(No wire in my name by the way)

I don't think anyone is defending any of those images, I do think people are defending the 'right' for LGBTQIA+ people to exist and not be told by others that they believe them not to be real.

sollenwir · Today 10:11

- -I’ll ask again: where on this thread is the (apparently “blatant”) unlawful transphobia? - -

Are you missing the part where I have referred to all of OP's posts?

Do you mind if I ask you to quote a couple of specific examples of what she's written, along with an explanation of why you think it's transphobic? That would be very helpful to those of us who don't see any.

Thanks.

Also:

I do think people are defending the 'right' for LGBTQIA+ people to exist and not be told by others that they believe them not to be real.

It would be great if you cold quote a post which says that trans people shouldn't exist, or that they're not real.

Did they actually show that picture on Milkshake??

Did you miss the bit where I agreed that the images in this book are not suitable for young children?
My issue is with denying the right of existence of to trans people.

OK, now I see what's happened - you see where one of the OP's posts was deleted by MN HQ? That is the main one where she was blatantly transphobic!
Others followed, let me check if they are still there too, ok?

Of course it’s blatant to you. It’s disagreeing with your ideology which you believe deeply in to the point of refusing to recognise facts. It’s like when someone compares believing in god to ‘adult version of Santa’ - it’s very offensive to those with religion, blasphemy even, but it still doesn’t make god real beyond their personal beliefs. Just like your beliefs do not become reality just because your really really want them to be true.

Ah, here comes the cult slogans. Who’s denying trans people the right to exist? Do trans people cease to exists if you mention biological reality?

For all of those saying they cannot see OP's transphobia, that might be because MN HQ has actually deleted them!
Let me look through and see if I can check how many have been deleted.

I have literally just posted to say that I see MN have deleted some of OP's posts - it may well be these ones that people are now not seeing.

OK, now I see what's happened - you see where one of the OP's posts was deleted by MN HQ? That is the main one where she was blatantly transphobic!

Well, you said transphobia was in all of her posts.

It's disgusting. I don't know how anyone could fail to be horrified by it.
What's sad is the well meaning parents/teachers who think reading this book to children is teaching tolerance and acceptance. Acceptance of grooming is what is it.
Most people in real life feel the same way OP. I don't know who the sickos are who get offended by people stating that this book and books like it are disgusting, but I'm glad they'll never be around my children!

FFS, absolutely no one on this entire site believes transpeople don’t exist. Everyone knows they exist. Everyone wants them to be able to live their lives and be happy. Everyone believes that anyone who identifies as transgender should have each and every right that every other human has.

What people do not believe in is queer theory, gender ideology and the idea that human beings can change sex. Any transgender person can want to be the opposite sex, live as if they are the opposite sex, present as the opposite sex - but they retain the sex they were born. Sex doesn’t change, but any presentation/clothes/stereotypes can be adopted. That’s it.

But surely you are reporting every single post that is transphobic? No?

Or is it that the majority of society has a reasonable expectation of being able to discuss facts with bluntness and honesty and you don’t agree? In effect, you have your own personal definition of transphobia and you like to shame others for not living up to your personally set bar of conduct.

My issue is with denying the right of existence of to trans people.

No one has denied that real people think they are in the 'wrong body'. Some of us have denied the belief that people can change sex

You missed answering me - how do trans people cease to exist, what rights are they being denied by recognising biological reality?

The kissing image is on Amazon too. It’s not photoshopped.

The MAP imagery is much more disturbing.

Why exactly have two of my posts been deleted!

I don't even buy into moral high ground being a thing - we all have different views, however some of the OPs comments (which have now been deleted) were definitely transphobic!

As for different sexes, and the concept of gender, I don't disagree with what you have written, however it is also true that understanding isn't really 'complete' in terms of how the sexual organs and 'brain' aspect of sexuality/gender develop.

I do have issue with the images in this book, but not with the existence of trans people per se. OP clearly stated she has both - she is allowed to express that view, but others are allowed to challenge it.

How do I see what I said in the deleted posts?

I would check with MNHQ by email OP and find out why your posts are deleted. Maybe they can edit out a word if it is problematic rather than deleting the post entirely.

And why are lesbians being dragged into it? The right of lgbtqia to exist? The trans lobby is as bad if not worse than the church and conservative groups now for telling lesbians that we don’t have a right to exist in our sexuality- as women who only find actual biological women’s bodies attractive… apparently it’s transphobia for me to say I don’t find a dick attractive even if the person with it says they are female.

@grandadspride clearly that is utterly inappropriate. Teaching children that families come in all shapes and sizes and that’s good, and that they can love who they want, are messages of acceptance (we are not an ill to be ‘tolerated’)- pictures of adults in fetish wear in a child’s book is gross.

OP is telling them they don't exist as they see themselves - the post where she expressed this is gone now though (deleted by MN).

Im with you OP. Teaching about acceptance is one thing. The only thing that will never be accepted in regards to sexual orientation is Paedophilia (well i damn well f*k*g hope not.) However I think it should be age appropriate. I wouldn't say pre school age kids is in any way appropriate or even much point to be honest. After all kids or babies really just want to watch Peppa Pig ect not be lectured on acceptance. They'll meet those matters when they're older
However no I don't think kids should be seeing drawings of people half dressed and all over each other.