Grandad's Pride is being read on milkshake on channel 5 - not acceptable! AIBU

[grandadspride]

Milkshake story den.

Why are we reading books about pride, gender and drag to pre-school children.

And there it is readers.

Exposure and normalisation of fetish wear and lowering children’s sexual boundaries is akin to homophobia. This is what lacking the ability to recognise the harm of exposure of toddlers to sexual paraphilias looks like.

This is what lowering society’s sexual boundaries as a whole does.

This is also a distractive technique that misses all the significant points raised on this thread so far. The framing of the issue being limited to a discussion point that is elevated above the other significant issues. All to shame people who do recognise there are issues here.

Bad bad parenting.

@Circularargument

A 2 year old won't understand

This encapsulates the entire issue. It's also what groomers bank on.

All to shame people who do recognise there are issues here.

We can all see what these types are trying to do. Despicable stuff.

Ostriches

grandadspride · Today 18:05

- - A 2 year old won't understand - -

This encapsulates the entire issue. It's also what groomers bank on.

Well, yes, they say that they won't be able to understand, so why bother? It seems to me that children assume everything that is there when they are at home, or out with mother is the way it should be, it normalises it for them.

It seems to me that the proponents of exposing children to highly sexualised imagery are not acting on the grounds of inclusivity at all; rather, something either very stupid, or entirely sinister.

It's a complex area but undoubtedly people who do feel 'trapped' in the wrong body exist and go through immense heartache coming to terms with it - all I also is that what accept people for who they feel they are.

The problem is @sollenwir that people often feel things that are not correct.
People with body dysmorphia feel they are hideously ugly or deformed - should we encourage them to have plastic surgery? People who are anorexic (another type of body dysmorphia) feel extremely strongly that they shouldn't eat, should we encourage them in that and enable them to starve themselves? If the answer is no then why are we saying to those that feel they are in the wrong body that they should take hormones and cut off bits of their bodies? Why isn't it also seen as another type of body dysmorphia and treated as a MH issue?

The OPs original post said
“Why are we reading books about pride, gender and drag to pre-school children.”

So let’s set aside people’s issues about a particular image in the book.

We are reading books about pride and gender to preschoolers so they can grow up to be tolerant of other peoples beliefs and lifestyles.

the fact that the OP is asking this question is troubling. Why would you NOT want to teach your kid about the world?

What if your 4 year old met a friend of family member who is gay or trans? How would you react?

The bigotry in this thread is horrifying.

It seems to me that the proponents of exposing children to highly sexualised imagery are not acting on the grounds of inclusivity at all; rather, something either very stupid, or entirely sinister.

Theyre either evil fuckers or useful idiots.

They can take their pick 🤷‍♀️

I don't want to teach preschool children that them seeing adults in fetish gear is fine. It isn't.

I don't want to teach children to be tolerant of 'minor attracted persons'. Can you really not see why?

That's not bigotry, it's safeguarding. Why are you against safeguarding?

DavesZ · Today 18:28

So let’s set aside people’s issues about a particular image in the book.

No, let's not set aside the main bone of contention for most people here. It's the entire point of this discussion.

Pride, gender and drag should be irrelevant to a toddler - they're adult activities. Speaking as a lesbian - and a lesbian parent - I'm very well versed in bigotry and I can assure you it's not adults raising concerns about age inappropriate sexualised issues like men wearing fetish gear in books for young children.

Tell me why toddlers should be confronted with fetish & paedophile related language and imagery @DavesZ ? Why are they not entitled to be safeguarded from age inappropriate imagery / concepts? And why does safeguarding children matter so little to posters accusing others of bigotry?

I don’t see the point of books like this.
You do not need to ‘teach’ a child NOT to be prejudiced. Children just naturally aren’t.

The day my son asks questions about a gay couple, or a trans person then I will happily answer them in a non-prejudiced way. Until then, I do not see the need to read him books about inclusivity.

It’s not though is it? The original poster said
“Why are we reading books about pride, gender and drag to pre-school children.”

The image clearly shows a pride March in which IN THE BACKGROUND there is an image of a man in the kind of clothes that you would see at a pride March.

surely most people here wouldn’t be against taking their kids to pride?

We clearly need to read our children books about inclusivity. Just look at this thread.

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Why? Have there been many bigoted children posting on this thread?

The image clearly shows a pride March in which IN THE BACKGROUND there is an image of a man in the kind of clothes that you would see at a pride March

Do you mean the picture with the leather/bondage wear?

I don't care who is wearing it...man/woman/gay/straight. It's not appropriate for children to see anyone in that sort of clothing.

The “peadophile related language” is just nonsense.

Explaining difference to children is important.

There is nothing here to “safeguard” children from. They are not in danger. It’s a book.

You haven't read the thread have you? 🙄

Have you been to Pride March recently @DavesZ? They're absolutely not the place for young children any more.

Being gay isn’t a belief or a lifestyle, it’s a sexuality.

Beyond the fact gay people exist and are just as valid in the world as straight people, kids don’t need to be taught anything about it. No more than they need to be taught about sexuality as it pertains to straight people.

Do you read your children books all about straight people who get off on dressing up as dolls? Or about how granny likes to be spanked by grandad?

I think like most parents, we would rather explain these things to our children in their own time than others with their own agenda.

My DCs have friends who are trans and family who are gay it's not a big deal. However I wasn't exposing them to this type of imagery at a young age.

This won't help educate it will make families wary.

Pride isn’t a children’s event. It’s a fun (ish) piss up and a way for brands to virtue signal mostly. That and an excuse for fetishists to be attention seeking.

Why would you take a child?

I have. I live in Brighton and took my 5 year old down there last year.

There were plenty of kids with their parents watching the parade - waving flags, dancing. She had a great time.

why are they not for children?

Are you really comparing gay people here to kinks?

yes I would and have read books to my daughter about sexuality and race and other differences. No I haven’t read books that would be predominantly about a sexual fetish.