7 dogs in Starbucks today is too much

[Elfandwellbeing]

I turned around and walked out again, don’t get me started on dogs sniffing cups and plates of food whilst sat next to the owners.
What is the solution ?
Can’t dogs be left anymore?
AIBU to think dog separation cannot be so painful that dogs have to go everywhere!

OP for some dog separation anxiety can be absolute hell and the stress can bring on seizures if they already suffer from epilepsy, but other than things like that, I do agree 7 dog in one small space is too much.
We do take our dog everywhere, but I don't go into restaurants or starbucks etc with him because I can't trust that other people have full control of their dogs or their kids for that matter, they just don't leave dogs alone .
If we go out for the day we get something to eat and find a nice walk we can enjoy with our dog and eat /drink it while we're there, much more enjoyable for the 3 of us.

I have never seen a dog poo or wee and mine has not ever.

Based upon on your poll of ... er, one, I'm going to have the throw in the towel and declare you completely right.

I am prepared to accept that separation anxiety from dogs is real but why should that be other people’s problem if they don’t want dogs under the feet in cafes. Dogs shake their fur coat, sniff cups and plates and others have a fair say in being fed up of that. Not to mention sitting down on a chair or seat that a dog has sat on. Dog dander triggers asthma and it is actually grim. Even some dog lovers on this thread agree that the amount of dogs in public eateries is ridiculous now.

If the sign says 'support' dogs rather than 'assistance' dogs, then they've basically given carte blanche for anyone to try & bring in their pet dog.

Emotional support dogs are not the same as assistance dogs (which encompasses guide & hearing dogs), although it's disturbingly easy to make them look 'official' with harness patches & other things.

And there are plenty of CFs who will do that.

They are making it difficult for those with genuine ADs because an ill behaved assistance dog would get 'washed' from a programme instead of being out in public working, whereas an ill behaved ESA being passed off as an AD reflects poorly on all genuine assistance dogs.

@chattyness I accept from your reply the separation anxiety is real. I do, but surely change comes with owning a pet? For example, I absolutely loved going out at night, dancing the evening away… along while ago mind now mind you .. however once I had dc I knew my life would change, why is it that dog owners, more recently, get so angry at the idea of other people rejecting their dog.

Are you prepared to use a cafe that isn't dog friendly?
Thats a handy way of ensuring that dogs are not your problem.

Personally I would rather go somewhere full of dogs than anywhere full of kids. They are usually better behaved and quieter. (and yes I do.have kids)

Verv · Today 12:11

If you can't cope with dogs in a coffee shop, go to a coffee shop that doesn't permit dogs.
If a coffee shop permits dogs, then dogs will be in there, you don't have to be.

I think you’ll find the dog does HAVE to be there on account of its selfish owner. It is not the dog’s fault it is not wanted in public eating places.

YANBU.

I was in a local independent coffee shop a few weeks ago. It was raining outside. They have a large, covered outdoor seating area and qr codes so that you can order from your table.

My friends and I had chosen to sit at a low down (think armchairs and coffee table style) indoor table. Our cappuccinos, hot chocolate and cup of tea and my toasted tea cake had just been brought over and put down when a large, damp dog that was passing our table decided to stop and shake itself right beside the tray of drinks. We’re not quite sure what it was that landed on top of one of the drinks but the member of staff immediately noticed and took the whole order away and replaced it.

The dog didn’t need to be in there and cost the business a lot of money that day and I for one won’t be returning unless they implement a no dogs indoors rule. It’s just not necessary for dogs to be indoors at places that serve food imo.

@Verv
clearly you are one of 30 percent that thinks dogs belong in public spaces that serve food and drink. That’s ok. However, 70 percent disapprove.

FFS, don't be ridiculous. Marrying your dog? This is getting silly now.

And a cafe that allows dogs is appropriate for dogs.

You can’t marry your dog, they can’t consent. Jesus….

Are the dog haters saying dogs should not even be taken to places that explicitly welcome them?

I love my dog dearly but I only bring him into a cafe if I’m picking something up and immediately leaving. I don’t think that dogs and sit-down food establishments fit well together. Although my dog would disagree!

How did dog owners manage when they couldn’t bring their pets into cafes? I presume they left them at home and most dogs were fine.

It's Starbucks. They don't sell anything fitting the description of "food".

The moment we start to see animals as in the same category as humans beings is where it starts to get ridiculous. You might as well start saying if you can marry a human why can't you marry your dog?!
Athe moment we start considering the needs and wellbeing of pets and even as animals overall in terms of 'category' is where it becomes ridiculous. Let's be clear animal and humans are NOT in the same category* The law also protects the welfare of animals, hence sex with an animal is an offence. Do you think a man engaging in sexual activity with his dogs should be allowed to claim that dogs are not the same category do it's ok to do so? This is why in some instances, it certainly isn't ridiculous.

Just accept that just as it is not appropriate to take a child to a nightclub because they are for adults there are some place not appropriate for dogs, like inside establishments selling food, because they for humans and are not the same
not comparable. Kids are not allowed in nightclubs to protect the wellbeing of the kids, not the wellbeing of those adults there. People wouldn't take a dog to a nightclub because it's hard to imagine a dog that would get enjoyment from it. Many dogs though do enjoy or are unphased by being in a cafe or pub. My dog genuinely loves it.

The dog haters need to get over it or stay indoors as dog friendly places are proliferating.

No. 70% of this discussion disapprove, all being members of the same forum. That doesn’t necessarily reflect society as a whole at all.

Yes. The dog haters are saying that people who take their dogs into cafes that allow dogs are selfish and entitled... all whilst failing to see the hypocrisy in their statement.

I've been very lucky in that none of mine have had SA, but if they did I'd absolutely be working on it, not dragging them everywhere with me.

It can be a very difficult behaviour to rectify, especially in adult dogs, & also expensive when a behaviourist is needed.

I do think you have a fair point in that more dogs are being taken to a lot more inappropriate places post pandemic, I'm surprised they haven't started appearing in cinemas TBH.

70 percent disapprove. That's ok. However, the owners of the relevant cafe's are in the 30 percent that thinks dogs do belong in THEIR spaces.

The problem is there was an AIBU thread on here a few days ago where the poster said that she was annoyed that her neighbour left their dog at home while she did the school run and went shopping. Apparently the dog barked for a whole 5 minutes everytime it's owner went out without it.
Responses were that the poster should have a word with her neighbour and tell her that she didn't appreciate that the dog barked when left that she needed to tell her that the dog shouldn't be left alone anymore.
Now people are complaining that dogs are taken everywhere by their owners.
Full disclosure I'm not fussed either way by dogs, I'm a cat person.

No. We need to communicate with the eateries and tell them they are losing our business. And shops.
The world has gone mad. This dog nonsense is a huge step back for humanity.

My mother (who actually loves dogs and would be trying to make a fuss of any and all dogs in coffee shops) was complaining to me today that someone took a chihuahua into the GP surgery waiting room - apparently it was barking at everything, so doesn’t sound like it was an assistance dog. Now that really is an inappropriate place to take a pet.

Exactly this! A few days ago 90% of a thread expected a woman to never leave her dog at home cause it barked for the first 5 minutes she was gone.

99% of the time Mumsnet agrees with the OP because if you dare stick your head over the parapet and disagree you get shot down!

I agree Op. I’ve been trying to book a cottage for next summer this weekend, all 3 of the ones I really like are ‘dog friendly and welcome up to 3 dogs’. No thanks, I don’t want to pay £1500 to stay somewhere dogs have been sleeping on all the furniture for the previous 2 weeks (and longer).