To think that you shouldn’t choose to rent an upstairs 2 bed flat if you have 4 noisy kids

[shatteredmama]

Just after your thoughts. We rent a ground floor flat, we expect to hear some of the usual sounds of upstairs neighbours such as footsteps, doors closing, washing machine, Hoover, the odd thud. Am absolutely fine with that.

A new couple moved into the flat upstairs, normal neighbour noises could be heard. No problem with that. Soon after they told me they had lied to our landlord and that it won’t just be the two of them, their 4 boys from the ages of 2 -11 would be coming over from their home country and living in that flat with them. Theirs is a 2 bedroom flat, no outside space, our flats are converted from 1 house. As she told me this she laughed and her exact words were oh you’ll know when they’ve arrived. Things are going to get very noisy!

Since the kids moved in the noise levels are ridiculous. Constant loud bangs, thuds, shouting, squealing, we can hear them running up and down their flat. It isn’t occasional. It’s all day every day as not all of them attend school.

I know kids make noise. On a couple of occasions I’ve knocked on and as nicely and politely as possible explained how it’s impacting us. For example when my child was crying and couldn’t go to sleep at bedtime because all the kids in the room above were jumping off the sofa onto the floor, our lampshade was swinging from the impact. At other times they’ve all been running and screeching so loud it sounds as though they are actually in our flat with us. The neighbours have then shrugged, argued back and said they’d try to keep the noise down but there’s nothing they can do.

I don’t know what we can do other than move out ourselves, but with the housing crisis the way it is, it wouldn’t be easy. I feel angry that they lied to get the tenancy and moved the family in knowing that it would disturb us and make our lives difficult.

Would any of you say I’m justified in feeling this way, any practical advice you’d give?

NO, you just use some common sense and stick to 2 children. No reason on earth to have more. The planet doesn't need more and the UK certainly does not. We are crowded enough.

@mydogisthebest No matter how many children you have things like poverty are just one unfortunate event away for most people. By your logic everyone should live in fear of what if-isms which would likely lead to nobody having any bloody children.

And, fortunately, you don't get any say in how many kids people have. There's no correct number just everyone's personal preference.

You can feel however you please but it's a useless and irrelevant talking point to go on about what OPs neighbour should have done when the fact is that these children are already here existing so this argument is pointless.

The ins and out are irrelevant as far as I'm concerned. They've lied to the LL to be able to move in and as a result it's causing you a problem. Complain to the LL.

@PinotViogner

Of course the OP is annoyed, her neighbour laughed in her face telling her to expect noise, her neighbour lied to the agent about the number of people who would be living in the flat in order to secure a tenancy, her neighbour has been making her and her family’s lives a misery for the past year by disturbing their peace.

Get real, the neighbour is DEFINITELY the problem

Will you ever manage to make a single post on this thread that's not just your own wild assumptions with nothing to back them up. That could be nice.

As I said but will repeat in case you did not understand. If you stick to 2 children, which anyone with a brain would, it is much much more likely that you can manage if something happens. Benefits are paid for 2 children only so any more than that and you are not going to get any extra to help out.

I wish I did get a say in how many children people could have. So many idiotic selfish people have child after child - just why? Bloody pathetic.

Of course it's "personal preference" because so many belong to the I WANT SO I SHALL HAVE club. I have no money, no home etc but I WANT 4/6/8 children SO I SHALL HAVE THEM.

The world would be so so so much better with less children brought into it

Well said, @mydogisthebest

Not everyone is logical.
Besides for society and capitalism to prosper we need people to be born into less than ideal circumstances. And we need a new influx of consumers and workers to support the pyramid scheme. A small proportion will make it anyway. Personally I wish people would think and let the rich breed their own workers but they won’t….

Given the stated ages of the children, it's hardly an assumption that they were, for the most part, conceived when it was well-known that housing scarcity was increasing, costs were rising, other economic woes were escalating, etc. It's clear that a two-year-old was conceived well after the start of the pandemic and its associated economic issues; quite possibly the other toddler was too.

People who think they can reproduce willy-nilly and that the world will just accommodate them are delusional. They aren't victims.

You should never withhold rent!!

What stated ages? You claimed two of these kids were conceived during the pandemic but OP only gave the ages of two of them which was 2 and 11 (the oldest and youngest)

You think the 11 year old was conceived during the pandemic?

@LaurieStrode what other toddler? There's a 2yo and an 11yo and besides that we don't know the ages.

Way to prove me right about the amount of crap you're pulling out of your arse.

Calm down, hun.

She said "not all of them attend school." I believe that means two do, two don't. You can interpret it however you like. The fact is that the eldest was conceived 12 years ago and even then, cheap housing, good jobs, etc. hardly abounded. The youngest was conceived during the pandemic, despite them already being a family of five.

It's irresponsible to produce that many kids, especially in a precarious economic situation. And then expect everyone else to bow down and accommodate you.

So now you've decided to snoop and sneer at the OP's other threads unbelievable.

Nasty.

Yeah ok then.

Well I rather selfishly and cruelly had four entire children so you can sit and spin 😉

While the rest of us pursue our own versions of what happiness is you can be a good little snowflake patting yourself on the back on your deathbed for how oh so very good you are for not being like all those other savages and being so very selfless. The rest of us will just be happily fulfilled, thanks😂

Op its indeed pretty terrible that these evil not even propah British bastards "chose" to live above you so if I were you I'd go choose to live in a lovely big penthouse suite far away from such selfishness. Hope this helps, thoughts and prayers. 🤘

Maybe the OP took the only accommodation she could afford also??

There's a thing called respect for other people. The neighbors had already laughed and told her to expect noise. Something I wouldn't dream of doing if id just moved in above someone.

@lollipoprainbow what's so nasty about that? Look I'd be sad to if I had been defending some professional woe-is-me pundit but it's still a very vindicating piece of info.

@minicheddars87 you literally made me tear a little with that 😂well said!

People with 4 kids don't choose to rent a 2 bed flat, its more thank likely all they can get!

Nice

I'm glad the other poster provided a link to OPs other post. It helps me understand that my sympathy is better placed elsewhere.

As several other posters have noted OP started this thread with the illusion of wanting advice for noisy neighbours but she's made it pretty clear through all her posts that this was about a pile on.

The irrelevant bringing up of their immigrant status. The use of the word CHOOSE in the title and even little things like she has a 'child' but the neighbours have 'kids' is the dehumanization and borderline xenophobic rubbish I unfortunately know all too well as an immigrant living here.

And thank goodness for people like you who do have larger families, it goes some way to make up for selfish gits like me who didn't want any.

The UK birthrate is 1.5-something, way below the 2.1 per woman required to maintain the current population. That's one of the reasons we need immigration - so that there are enough workers to support the increasingly ageing population. (Of course, automation may eventually reduce the size of workforce needed over time, but that's a long way off.)

I'd be interested to see the Venn diagram between the people who think that only the rich should have more than one or two kids and the people who want immigration reduced. It seems to me you can't have both, and I'd like to know how much overlap there is.

The silence from the crowd complaining about op being accused of xenophobia is deafening. Not one of you going to have a go to explain why it was so relevant that OP bring it up?

Does the OP say they are not a white family?