To think that net immigration…

[Libertass]

Of 745,000 people a year isn’t what the 17 million people who voted for Brexit in 2016 thought they were voting for?

YABU = Yes, this is what Leave supporters voted for.

YANBI = No, they didn’t vote for this.

FFS no wonder it happened if people believed it was a vote on immigration!

Although the quotes are interesting and presumably said

My immigrant family members all voted for Brexit AFAIK. You can despise the EU as a political/economic construct without hating the rest of the world, you know.

There isn't a shortage of skills in the UK, there's a shortage of reasonable wages. British people are not willing to work hard for a salary that won't even pay for housing, bills and food, and why should they? Meanwhile immigrants often live in sub-optimal conditions and are willing to get paid barely anything as long as they get to stay here.

yep

I suspect this is not actually ‘illegal migration’ if they claim asylum and are granted it. The ones who are not granted asylum would be deported (and not be in the numbers). The ones who disappear into the bushes and are never processed are also not in the numbers, although I suspect that’s quite a small number since most want to be processed as they want to be granted a legal right to stay.

@0MammaBear0 i think you make an excellent point. The conditions I see people living in on my street are shocking. Many families cramped into MOH, children sharing rooms with adults as bedroom and living room, gardens full of scrap metal as the parents collect it so no place to play. A lot of crime in my area and drug abuse so kids can’t play out. I don’t think it’s actually moral for the wealthy of the U.K. to be making money from bringing in people from abroad so they don’t have to pay living wages to people already here. From what I see in my area it’s just shoving people in to substandard housing and the kids going to crap schools where the quality of teaching is awful as so many of the children don’t speak English as a first language. I worry about how these children will grow up. I don’t think they are going to be happy people. They are marginalised, poor and alienated.

This is scary, will have horrific socio-economic and cultural consequences and very soon NO ONE will be laughing.

This country will change beyond recognition in a way that historically has been done World-wide by force. There is no precedent of it on this island, so the well meaning (and equally obtuse and naive) people of Britain will be in for a sharp learning curve.
Why be so inward gazing and refuse to look only as far as the nearby Europe and the 20th Century is... Mind boggling. And as mind-numbing as talking to the ignorant privileged always is.

I am a migrant myself. I love this country and the people (apart from the willingness of them to bend over in all the possible directions at once). I've been "shafted" before, I won't be staying to feel it happening again. Every passing year I'm closer to leaving this place to look for a safer society elsewhere.

Learning languages will be on the New Year's resolution list.
UK can keep their "students" lol!

Ashamed of being born here?! Because of how some people voted?

You sound mentally unwell.

Why should be be in jail?

The amount of migration via the French shoreline is trivial compared to the amount of official approved immigration.

Because when/if we sign a trade deal with India it will allow much easier entry for Indian citizens, as one example. Multiply that by every country we plan to sign a trade deal with.

The irony of anti-immigration posters saying they plan to emigrate.🙄

@Mycatsgoldtooth

You must be not far away from me.

We have bylaws in my area to stop the proliferation of HMOS. They are (were) beautiful Victorian residential areas. It enrages me beyond belief when some fat-cat council official - who without fail lives elsewhere - fights to approve yet another conversion. The reasoning always is "affordable housing". Well, my arse, if cramping 7 bedrooms in a 2.5 bedroom terrace is so desirable for the people of this country, then why the feck were the historic "overcrowded slums" demolished as late as 80's?? A lick of Magnolia, a couple fire-doors and they'd be good to go!

Students?? Doctors?? Have a look at the faces on my street and point them out to me. I must be blind.

Are they happy with how it turned out? Genuine question. I can’t understand how anyone can ‘despise’ the EU, get slightly annoyed with yes, but despise…c’mon.

The only people who I imagine really do despise the EU are Putin and Lord Rothermere.

@QueenCamilla you can tell who is a doctor or a student by looking at their faces? Exceptional talent.

Tell me that you live somewhere naaaice without telling me that you live somewhere naaaice. The most of the UK is not your privileged neighbourhood.
You can't even imagine.

@BansheeofInisherin you are being disingenuous and you know it. The Deliveroo drivers, the cash in hand builders, the nail salon workers and the drug dealers, the people with no english, the probably trafficked women in the brothel on my street are all in poverty. I know exactly what the poster you tagged is talking about. People living in poverty collecting scrap metal living in MOH with their families are not doctors or students. They are people living in the margins of society and it’s not benefiting our society or them. People are getting rich off their back though.

@QueenCamilla exactly.

Yep, I am ashamed. Perfectly cognisant though!

Sometimes I wonder if the people running our country would rather like us all (the plebs) to live in cramped multi-generational/multi-occupancy houses and accept mediocre wages. They might consider an adjustment of expectations to be quite useful.

You’ll probably find it increasingly hard to live somewhere that isn’t dealing with migration pressures and associated pressures

I live in a gritty part of SE London. Anyway, I get you @QueenCamilla. You are the right sort of immigrant, and everyone else isn't. Not an unusual view these days.

Net immigration last year was 745,000. And bear in mind, that's the official figure. I wonder what the true figure is? If you add in illegal immigrants, it's probably closer to a million.

I'm in rural Essex, and our quality of life is rapidly deteriorating. There are simply too many people jammed into too small an area. The traffic is so bad I hardly bother going out. I've given up yoga after work because it takes me too long to get there, and in the Spring I never bother visiting local beauty spots. Even if I could face the traffic I'd never get parked. Frankly, we're probably two years away from having to book time slots to use the roads. My local woods have been destroyed to make way for a disgusting new estate, and at the other end of the village a second massive estate is being built, including blocks of flats. The traffic is awful now, so god knows what it will be like when all those new houses are occupied. But it's never enough. No matter how many vile rabbit hutches they squeeze together, we always need more, more, more.

People need to understand that this isn't going to stop. Yes, the birthrate is dropping in Europe and Asia, but it's dropping from a massive height. And it isn't dropping everywhere. Africa's birthrate is so high the African population is going to double by 2050. The population of Manchester is 550,000. If this continues, we will have to build a new Manchester every year. WHERE??? Forget arguments about identity and multiculturalism. It's simply a question of space. The left will do anything rather than crack down on immigration. As soon as this issue is raised, they weasel out of it by going on about the lack of investment in social housing and schools and GP surgeries, and so on. But I don't want more houses and schools and GP surgeries. I want more fields and trees and space and silence and light.

The problem is the Tories are happy to import all these people because of 'growth growth growth' but they never build the infrastructure to deal with it.

And Labour weren't much better but they at least invested in public services.

@BansheeofInisherin

In fact, I'll paint a picture for you of my local "doctors". They are dark faces in the HMOs on my street. One of the HMOs was a "grow-house" run by African migrants. I found out about it when I had to call the police one night when a rival gang started a raid on their operation. The migrants fled and the house has been boarded up since.

The house opposite mine I think holds temporary problem tenants - somehow related to immigration as they're all male, barely any English, usually Asian. I can't work in my front garden without someone of them swanning over and reminding me that in their culture it's a man's job what I'm doing. They'll also freely ask for my relationship status. I get offered to buy stolen goods regularly. One of the "local" residents demolished my brick garden wall whilst I was at work at night.

At the end of my small residential street is what's known as "The wall". It's a low brick wall adjacent to a petrol station where hordes of foreign men sit about all day every day, drinking, smoking and staring at women. It is incredibly intimidating to pass by a group of 20 men like that. I go around the long way just to get to the shops I need.

And this is a quiet, residential, Victorian street. Used to be all families, so the elderly residents say.

When I needed a new wall to replace the demolished one, I opted for black Victorian railings and insisted on sharp arrow tops. When you live at the receiving end of "doctors", you learn to build the right walls quickly.

I don't benefit from bullshitting about this. So I do wish the privileged would return some human respect and pull their heads out of their bloated arses. Just to have a peek around for a minute or two.