To think that net immigration…

[Libertass]

Of 745,000 people a year isn’t what the 17 million people who voted for Brexit in 2016 thought they were voting for?

YABU = Yes, this is what Leave supporters voted for.

YANBI = No, they didn’t vote for this.

Not goady, genuine question: what do you mean there’s no illegal migration?

If someone enters the country on a fake visa in order to go and work, that’s illegal, for example.

I can see why you’re throwing your toys out of the pram when you realise that all Brexit has done is replace mainly white(EU) migrants with mainly brown(Non-EU migrants).
The vast majority of immigration was from non-EU countries , 968,000 with the largest groups being from India and Nigeria.

Have you compared his actual policies to our own?

It’s been an unmitigated disaster.
Having to pay VAT importing from EU has added 20% to costs ( family member imports a lot of material from France) plus a lot of skilled workers left U.K.
Good trades.
A care home locally is hiring people from overseas ( non EU) as can’t find British people to do the Caring.

Oh, so he’s Corbyn’s long lost brother in ideology then?

Complaining 'this isn't what we wanted' is ridiculous. No one knew precisely what Brexit meant - but they voted for it anyway.

I am a fairly recent immigrant. DH and I are both highly skilled- 5 degrees between us- and also high tax payers. It was pretty difficult for us to enter the UK and by no means as easy as people here think it is.

I get my medical care in my home country, because the NHS is not fit for purpose where I am. I am by no means unusual in our circle of friends, most of whom are in the same or similar professions.

I think we are contributing rather more than we are taking. I suppose we are Brexiteer's nightmares. I hope so anyway!

The U.K. has closed down EU immigration but opened up immigration to the world. Helpful pic:

Of 745,000 people a year isn’t what the 17 million people who voted for Brexit in 2016 thought they were voting for?

Not only are you being unreasonable, but you are also being as stupid as all those other people who voted for Brexit to protest immigration. Because immigration was NEVER on the ballot! Free movement and immigration are entirely different things. The Treaty of Rome enabled free movement. Brexit also enabled "free movement" - mostly of low paid and hard working people who filled the crappy low paid jobs that British born workers didn't want (and still don't want) back to European countries, and caused the current labour shortage in so many of our industries.

If you want to discuss immigration then you'll need to find a vote on that subject. There wasn't one in 2016.

Any Brexit voter who is currently whining that ‘this isn’t what we voted for’ can cry me and everyone else a huge, enormous river.
You were all told what you were voting for was nonsense. Smoke, mirrors & lies.
You reap what you sow

The two were conflated at the the time though. Farages infamous nasty poster basically saying if you don’t vote for Brexit then men like this will be pouring into Britain.

The UK relies on the vast majority of that 750k a year to keep its economy afloat - more so now than ever post Brexit.

We need the inflated fees foreign students pay, which have always been included in the figures. We need fruit pickers. We need European truck drivers.
We need foreign workers to look after our elderly and people with disabilities and foreign workers to help keep the NHS functioning.

People tried to explain this to the Brexiters before the vote but they wouldn’t listen. They tried to explain that the NHS not working well enough or schools not being properly funded, or hardly any homes getting built wasn’t due to immigration figures but political ideology.

You voted for a fantasy which has had plenty of significant negative consequences, but no concrete positive benefits whatsoever.

It’s hilarious that so many Brexiters believed that leaving the EU would mean the UK suddenly no longer has positive net immigration. Clueless.

People who voted for Brexit wanted control over our borders, similar to other countries like Australia.

we didn’t get this, and got a load of old shit instead.

everyone says ‘this is what the majority voted for’ but it wasn’t, because nobody was told what the repercussions would be.

this is politics all over. Can’t give anyone a straight answer.

People tried to explain this to the Brexiters before the vote but they wouldn’t listen. They tried to explain that the NHS not working well enough or schools not being properly funded, or hardly any homes getting built wasn’t due to immigration figures but political ideology.

This. It's the same across the world. The Tories have done a great job of blaming immigrants for their mess.

everyone says ‘this is what the majority voted for’ but it wasn’t, because nobody was told what the repercussions would be.

Oh no, you were told. You were all told. You werwe warned over and over and over. And even if you weren't, there was a wealth of information available for anyone who looked for it. Whining now that nobody told you what you were voting for is simply an admission that you are too bloody stupid to be allowed to vote. Every single person who voted was an adult over the age of 18 with, reputedly, mental capacity. You got EXACTLY what you voted for. Ignorance is no excuse.

Do people in favour of this immigration not realise that the 745,000 is a net figure, a net INCREASE in the population year on year?

It's not just students and migrant workers who will come and go, as some on here seem to think.

An extra 745,000 people - a Leeds or Manchester's worth of people - every single year, who you will have to share demand with for scarce housing, infrastructure and resources. And the poorer you are, the more you'll be hurt by it.

And yet people cheer it on because apparently the 52% of the population they don't like (e.g. white working class people in The North) will be butt hurt about it for obviously racist reasons.

So how did UK Uni's Social Care function a few years ago? & if their finances are so bad, why was 20bn just handed out yesterday in tax cuts?

(btw it did, we had nothing like the issues in SC that we have now)

How do we support foreign students, workers and their families, remember most will not go home & in very low paid work, so little tax take, in work benefits, housing support.

This 745k people who will use GP's schools, NHS, roads and need housing.

Its fucking bonkers.

We gone from 150k to 200k net per year EU workers and full employment/little in the way of skills shortages to 3/4 million people each and every year but still have huge skills & labour shortages

From today’s Times. I wouldn’t have worded it this way, however analysis, post Brexit, shows it was mainly voted for by the less educated.

It's pointless trying to have a reasonable discussion about this on MN. Anyone who questions immigration is just called a racist.

Maybe this AI stuff will kick in then we’ll have another issue, or maybe jobs and workers will actually match

Maybe once, but i think people all over the UK are waking up to the fact that we ve too many people coming into the UK, legally i might add & that Brexit was a dud.

It has very little to do with Brexit, and a lot to do with Boris lowering the visa threshold for people who want to work here to just above the minimum wage.

Then allowing employers to lobby for pretty much any occupation they choose to be put on the shortlist.

These immigrants will not be net contributors. They are allowed to bring dependants.

Not surprisingly, our infrastructure can't keep up with hundreds of thousands of extra people every year.

Labour want to bulldoze through the countryside to accommodate these huge increases in population. (Sod the wildlife right?)

England is slightly more densely populated than the Netherlands.

We do have control over this immigration, but it suits the government and big businesses to have an endless supply of cheap labour.

As long as people accept it, it will continue.

thank you for that diagram @Sourisblanche

Those who voted 'Leave' were mostly clueless/dim about what that would actually mean. It was obvious to many of the rest of us that fewer EU workers in the UK would mean more non-EU workers coming here to do those jobs in future. And that ending any cooperation with EU neighbours would make it harder/ more expensive to 'police' our borders.

A lot seem to be student migration but bringing dependents with them. The 2 countries they come from the most are Nigeria and India according to the radio in my car. Listened to debate on my 1 1/2 hour drive with several speakers joining debate including Immigration Minister Jenrick.