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Laurence Fox libel trial

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newnamethanks · 22/11/2023 18:07

Laurence Fox has been sued for libel by two people he described as paedophiles in a twitter spat. They described LF as racist. Trial began today, suing and counter-suing. Mr Fox arrived with his - written thus (daily mail) in single quotes - 'girlfriend'. Odd description.

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Delightfuldays · 29/11/2023 16:06

newnamethanks · 29/11/2023 15:59

You should be in court with him as a character witness, you'd do him as much credit there as you are doing here.

Just have a discussion without getting rude.

Circularargument · 29/11/2023 16:06

Delightfuldays · 29/11/2023 16:06

Just have a discussion without getting rude.

You don't want a discussion.

Delightfuldays · 29/11/2023 16:08

monsteramunch · 29/11/2023 16:01

@Delightfuldays

Question Time aside, any thoughts on the swastika incident?

As a reminder, Laurence Fox shared a version of the Nazi symbol made out of rainbow flags to Twitter to mark LGBT Pride Month.

Posting the offending picture he said: “Oh blessed and most holy month!"

I don't know the circumstances for why it is was posted.
Obviously if he has posted it because he supports Nazi's then that is disgusting.

Braindrops · 29/11/2023 16:08

monsteramunch · 29/11/2023 16:01

@Delightfuldays

Question Time aside, any thoughts on the swastika incident?

As a reminder, Laurence Fox shared a version of the Nazi symbol made out of rainbow flags to Twitter to mark LGBT Pride Month.

Posting the offending picture he said: “Oh blessed and most holy month!"

It’s a bit crass but I think his point was that the pride movement is cultish and intolerant. Not an offensive opinion imo.

Halllooo · 29/11/2023 16:08

The fuck was he considered for Succession and Disney roles 😂 He was a washed up, bitter old lovey well before he decided to try to get himself some attention on Twitter.

Delightfuldays · 29/11/2023 16:08

monsteramunch · 29/11/2023 15:59

@Delightfuldays

He interrupted her because she had just tried to shut him down and using the colour of his skin as a reason why she was 'worried' about him having an opinion.

So basically you think:

"You shouldn't try to shut people down just because you don't like what they are saying"

But you also think:

"He only shut her down because he didn't like what she was saying"

😂

No that summary is not what I've said.

Delightfuldays · 29/11/2023 16:09

@Circularargument in your opinion.
But I am on a discussion board so obviously I do.

newnamethanks · 29/11/2023 16:12

Clearly you are a great supporter of Mr Fox and believe him to be much maligned on this thread. No doubt you would be warmly welcomed as a supporter of his case.

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Circularargument · 29/11/2023 16:12

Delightfuldays · 29/11/2023 10:02

@Myfabby she used the colour of his skin against him. He had an opinion and she tried to shut it down because he was white.

Please educate yourself on what racism is (which is not the same as CRT, about which you also appear confused beyond 'it's leftie wokery which I don't like because Reasons") because you have not the first clue and are not covering yourself in glory here.

Circularargument · 29/11/2023 16:14

Delightfuldays · 29/11/2023 16:09

@Circularargument in your opinion.
But I am on a discussion board so obviously I do.

OK then.😬

newnamethanks · 29/11/2023 16:16

Whether or not he has an agent he has so tarnished himself that many people won't be willing to work with him. A spell in the Priory wouldn't go amiss. If they'll take him.

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Delightfuldays · 29/11/2023 16:21

@Circularargument I have educated myself.

Delightfuldays · 29/11/2023 16:22

newnamethanks · 29/11/2023 16:16

Whether or not he has an agent he has so tarnished himself that many people won't be willing to work with him. A spell in the Priory wouldn't go amiss. If they'll take him.

Why does he need a spell in the Priory? Are you suggesting he has mental health issues or addiction issues?

Sallybegood · 29/11/2023 16:25

Braindrops · 29/11/2023 16:08

It’s a bit crass but I think his point was that the pride movement is cultish and intolerant. Not an offensive opinion imo.

The Nazis gassed large numbers of people to death, including LGBT people because they were LGBT. Has this been your experience with the pride movement? If not then perhaps it’s right to say he was making a poor comparison, and in bad not to say grotesque taste?

pointythings · 29/11/2023 16:25

@Delightfuldays so interrupting someone before they have said their piece isn't shutting someone down, but pointing out that as a white man from a wealthy and privileged background there are some things he doesn't get is? Riiiiight.

And a swastika is OK as long as you're not explicitly a Nazi is also OK? Riiiiiight.

Delightfuldays · 29/11/2023 16:28

pointythings · 29/11/2023 16:25

@Delightfuldays so interrupting someone before they have said their piece isn't shutting someone down, but pointing out that as a white man from a wealthy and privileged background there are some things he doesn't get is? Riiiiight.

And a swastika is OK as long as you're not explicitly a Nazi is also OK? Riiiiiight.

I didn't say that at all. I don't know the reasons or the story behind why he has put a Swastika up. So I can't really comment on it. If he has put it up as I said before as a Nazi supporter then that is disgusting.

TheOtherSideOfTheStory · 29/11/2023 16:28

Braindrops · 29/11/2023 16:08

It’s a bit crass but I think his point was that the pride movement is cultish and intolerant. Not an offensive opinion imo.

The swastika is offensive. Not just 'a bit crass'. No one who posts a swastika on their social media can then complain that someone else trashed their reputation.

justteanbiscuits · 29/11/2023 16:30

Braindrops · 29/11/2023 16:08

It’s a bit crass but I think his point was that the pride movement is cultish and intolerant. Not an offensive opinion imo.

So, likening (add movement you don't like in here) to Nazi's isn't offensive in any way and you honestly don't understand how it could be?

Delightfuldays · 29/11/2023 16:32

He 'interrupted' her because she was telling him she was 'worried' about him having an opinion because of the colour of his skin.
Most people would interrupt if someone was using your skin colour as a reason to be 'worried' about your opinions.

TheOtherSideOfTheStory · 29/11/2023 16:34

Delightfuldays · 29/11/2023 16:28

I didn't say that at all. I don't know the reasons or the story behind why he has put a Swastika up. So I can't really comment on it. If he has put it up as I said before as a Nazi supporter then that is disgusting.

You can easily find out why he posted it - his reasoning has been explained on the thread. It's still a swastika, that he chose to post on his twitter feed. If you post a swastika on twitter, people will believe you are racist. You can't then sue them for ruining your reputation. There are many careers, not just acting, which would be over if you posted a swastika online. It's a sackable offence in a lot of jobs, and an action that is likely to disgust and offend a lot of people - everyone knows this to be the case.

justteanbiscuits · 29/11/2023 16:34

Delightfuldays · 29/11/2023 16:32

He 'interrupted' her because she was telling him she was 'worried' about him having an opinion because of the colour of his skin.
Most people would interrupt if someone was using your skin colour as a reason to be 'worried' about your opinions.

That is not what she said. Her words have been posted here numerous times.

‘What worries me about your comment is, you are a white privileged male who has no experience in this’..

Has he ever been black? Oh, actually...

Myfabby · 29/11/2023 16:36

Delightfuldays · 29/11/2023 16:08

I don't know the circumstances for why it is was posted.
Obviously if he has posted it because he supports Nazi's then that is disgusting.

Sis, for all the time you spend supporting LF and trying to gaslight everyone- do some research! Jeez. Simple type in google LF, Swastika for a start.

Feigning ignorance is bloody boring now. Do better. And don't even try the MH cop-out. I see you trying to sneak it in for him.

And whoever said he needs a spell in the Priory, you couldn't be more right. I read some of the transcript from his cross exam, he is a mess. Apologized for calling them paedophiles- caveating it of course. I think the effects of divorce, getting sacked and all the other stupid stuff he's done plus midife has created this monster. Very very sad to read.

pointythings · 29/11/2023 16:36

@Delightfuldays you have literally just said that you think there are circumstances where it's OK to post a swastika, thereby comparing the object of your ire to the Nazis.

But do keep digging.

Delightfuldays · 29/11/2023 16:38

@justteanbiscuits thanks for reposting the quote and showing quite clearly she does say she is worried and uses his skin colour as a reason

BigMandsTattooPortfolio · 29/11/2023 16:41

‘He only does it to annoy, because he knows it teases’ ~ Lewis Carroll

It’s called ‘baiting’ The individual will insult and aggravate in order to provoke a reaction. Then when he gets one, plays the victim to the gallery.