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AIBU to take my son into the female changing room?

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JustKeepSwimmingAlong · 20/11/2023 18:36

I’ve taken my kids swimming tonight, both have separate swimming lessons and I swam with one while the other had theirs. Eldest is male, 9 and has multiple additional needs including ADHD, ASD and some physical disabilities which means he struggles to change himself. Youngest is in nursery so can dress herself but does need supervision. We got out the pool and realised all the changing rooms were full. There were 8 classes on over multiple pools, as well as general swim on at the same time. There’s only two family/accessible changing rooms and the others are all individual. There were literal queues for the large changing rooms.
I then noticed people going out of the group change. I’ve not used it before, but there was a male and a female changing room, so we went in the females. There was no one in it so started laying out the kids clothes and getting them to shower. Got them out the showers and started to get them dressed and people started coming in. There were a couple of mums with young girls and boys, and then a teenager looking girl came in by herself. She immediately came over to tell me that we were in the female room. I explained my son needed help getting changed and the changing rooms were full, but this room had been empty so we’d used it rather than standing wet and cold waiting for a changing room.
We were nearly Finished and my son was fully dressed when she arrived. He sat next to me, facing the wall and we left within a few minutes. During this time, she did get changed, so we didn’t delay her. Now I’m wondering if I was unreasonable?
I don’t want to make anyone uncomfortable, but I really don’t know what else I could have done in the situation? There’s too many classes and too few changing rooms, and we need a larger/accessible one, but they’re the only ones with baby change so they’re really
Popular. The lessons are every week so now I’m wondering what I can do next week? Would I be unreasonable to keep using the group change if there are no other options available?

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Sexnotgender · 20/11/2023 21:05

Unfortunately he’s too old to be in the women’s changing area. I sympathise with your predicament but you can’t take him into the women’s indefinitely.

Sexnotgender · 20/11/2023 21:05

SerafinasGoose · 20/11/2023 21:04

Nb. My son is 9. We'd known this has been on the horizon for some years beforehand, as it's fairly common practice that 8 is the cut-off age.

The onus is on me to work around that. It's not for other women and girls to move over because males are automatically deemed more important. I also don't think that is a bad lesson for young boys to learn. It would be hard to raise my son to be respectful to women - not to view them as commodities as some men still unfortunately do - whilst commandeering their spaces because it happens to be more convenient to us. Women should not automatically be the ones to shut up and budge up.

Respecting their spaces is really basic to all that. The girl who questioned his presence was right to do so, IMO.

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Exactly this.

aibupregnancy · 20/11/2023 21:07

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SerafinasGoose · 20/11/2023 21:07

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Wouldn't bother me, either. But that isn't the point.

Pipistrellus · 20/11/2023 21:08

@SnowflakeSparkles It is not normal for a girl or woman to have to change in front of older boys. The age limit is usually 8, but this is a limit not a target, boys may use the mens younger than this, my older boy did as he was no longer comfortable in the women's. 9 is certainly too old, it is not borderline at all. Why should girls and women go elsewhere, it is a female space?

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CremeEggSupremacy · 20/11/2023 21:12

9 is far too old for this and YABVU to dismiss a teen girl trying to assert boundaries about her body in the current gender ideology climate. Let’s hope you haven’t deterred her from speaking up again.

sollenwir · 20/11/2023 21:14

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The teenager was not being unreasonable expecting only females, or only very young boys, in a female changing area.

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ArticWillow · 20/11/2023 21:15

I think you were wrong using the female only changing room.
However, I would challenge the pool about the accessible cubicles. Having a DC with additional needs may also include an inability to wait ...
Could you ask if there are additional group changing rooms that are used by schools?
You could ask for one of these. Our council run pool has them no lockers but benches all round and in the middle.

CremeEggSupremacy · 20/11/2023 21:16

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No. Op and her son should’ve used the toilets to get changed rather than making a young girl uncomfortable in a space she is entitled to use.

fishshop · 20/11/2023 21:16

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utter nonsense

The teenager was absolutely not unreasonable to not want to change in front of a boy 2 years off secondary school

MaggieFS · 20/11/2023 21:17

I still think the OP needs to come back and clarify if there were individual cubicles the teen could access. My take is that there were, which is why I don't think it's too bad.

sollenwir · 20/11/2023 21:17

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What are you not getting about this being a female space?

Orbitolld · 20/11/2023 21:18

Fair play to the girl for asserting herself, but to be fair, there was nobody in there when you arrived. If you’d happened in upon a 14 year old girl and carried on regardless that would be different I think, but you didn’t do anything wrong - sometimes we have to work it out as we go along I think.

sollenwir · 20/11/2023 21:19

MaggieFS · 20/11/2023 21:17

I still think the OP needs to come back and clarify if there were individual cubicles the teen could access. My take is that there were, which is why I don't think it's too bad.

Maybe they were also busy, or just maybe a female in a female space trumps any male trying to invade that space (unless they're very small).

Sirzy · 20/11/2023 21:19

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Why should a female have to get changed elsewhere because of males in the female changing area?

and we wonder why too many men don’t respect boundaries when so many are taught from a young age they are an exception to the boundaries

aibupregnancy · 20/11/2023 21:20

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SerafinasGoose · 20/11/2023 21:20

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I disagree. Completely. She was being eminently reasonable.

CremeEggSupremacy · 20/11/2023 21:21

Orbitolld · 20/11/2023 21:18

Fair play to the girl for asserting herself, but to be fair, there was nobody in there when you arrived. If you’d happened in upon a 14 year old girl and carried on regardless that would be different I think, but you didn’t do anything wrong - sometimes we have to work it out as we go along I think.

Agree probably ok when nobody’s there but when others who are actually meant to use the space then enter AND express discomfort it is no longer ok.

OliveWah · 20/11/2023 21:21

Knowing how hard most teenage girls find any sort of "confrontation" with an adult, I think the fact that this girl came and told you that you son being there was making her uncomfortable and you chose to ignore her discomfort, makes you very unreasonable. Why does your convenience trump her discomfort?

CremeEggSupremacy · 20/11/2023 21:22

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The teenage girl is also a child who has more of a right to use that space than your boys. Grim attitude

sollenwir · 20/11/2023 21:22

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Protecting your boys does not include giving them acess to or priority in what is clearly a female only space.

(As it is I am the mother of a boy, not a girl).

DodoTime · 20/11/2023 21:23

funinthesun19 · 20/11/2023 19:12

That dad on here a couple of weeks ago who went in to the female toilets with his DD was a bigger threat to a 14 year old girl than a 9 year old boy with additional needs is in a changing room. And yet plenty of women on here told him it was all cool to go in there. But yet a boy with additional needs is not ok because apparently HE is a problem in a female space and a grown arsed man isn’t.

Righty o. At least keep it consistent. 🤦🏼‍♀️

I don't really think the situations are comparable.

The dad was the carer in that scenario (not using the facilities himself) with a child in urgent need (I believe the child was going to poop themselves) whereas in this scenario the need was not urgent.

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