To be genuinely shocked by the apparent illiteracy of Andrea Jenkyns?

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Have we really reached the point where it is acceptable for a senior MP to publish a serious (presumably) document that is barely legible?! It's not a text or a tweet or a Mumsnet post for goodness' sake. It reads as though she spoke it into her phone and hoped for the best. If this is what passes for communication nowadays, no wonder people struggle to connect and constantly misunderstand each other.

Haha! I love that letter - unhinged rant, rant, rant, rant, rant. Kind regards…

I can read and understand lots of things which are ungrammatical, poorly constructed and (though these done apply to a typed letter) poorly spelled and scruffily written. that doesn’t mean any of them are good enough, does it? They wouldn’t pass GCSE, for example.

Would this? ^^

I think spelt is better than "spelled ".

Haha I didn't mean any pub bore in particular! But yes if you mean Nigel Farage, he both writes and speaks very persuasively and that's why he's won so many people over to his (imo bonkers) views. I say they are bonkers - but when I listen to one of his speeches, I'm sometimes nodding along at moments. That's real persuasion.

Jenkyns is just blowing hot air in comparison. Literally no one is going to be persuaded to her view by that letter.

There are some who might have already agreed with her stance, who feel a brief flutter of solidarity in her rants, but more who would just cringe.

And then people who are more neutral would actually be put off by reading that. So it's literally counter productive.

It’s fundamental. If she can’t even communicate effectively at a basic level, why should we entertain her being in the position she is in?

And no, I am not a Rees Mogg fan. I’ve never voted Tory, and can’t imagine ever doing so.

Not really. She is submitting an official letter of no confidence in the Leader of the Conservative Party, in the hope of ousting him and installing the 6th Prime Minister/Leader of the Party in 7 years. At least get it proofread or take the slang out. She has embarrassingly been left out on her own. Probably because they know they can't pull that shit again without an election.

It is very simple, she is saying that they got the biggest majority since Thatcher because Boris read the public mood correctly on Brexit, and he also seemed to have a connection with the public before that (I never understood this aspect of his public appeal but Brexit was the biggie, the Elephant in the Room, top line politicians thinking they had the right to undermine that vote was sickening to behold) RS has not even been elected LOL, it isn`t difficult to get her sentiment, they are repeating the thing they got right on Brexit in reverse, instead of getting the public mood right they have a guy who nobody knows anything about, no one relates to and who is unelected parading about pretending to be a PM! It is laughable to watch, but the not funny bit is the truly chilling Circus Of Horrors that will populate the government if the opposition get the protest (against RS The Unelected) vote going to them, I saw YC being interviewed the other day and felt shock that she was still around and potentially in a new government soon! It was very sobering to think that politicians of this low calibre who absolutely disgraced the position they hold over Brexit could actually return to power.

It is certainly very poorly written.

Its also dishonest (the claim that Sunak has purged the centre right from his cabinet) and inconsistent (overlooking that Boris was ousted after heavy by election losses).

I tend to think of spelt as an ancient wheat.

This illiterate woman who doesn't know how to form sentences or use the full stop correctly has a degree in Economics from the Open University, and another in International Relations from Lincoln.

Having appalling written English is one thing. Most people who have dyslexia or other difficulties acknowledge their problems and get things proofread before publishing for the world to see. She didn't and probably thinks that her letter is perfectly fine.

I tend to think of speltas an ancient wheat.
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Will this MP lose her seat next election on current trends?

Maybe that's why she is so pissed off. Her composition reflects that anger, and was probably written with a red faced grimace after a few large gins.

The comma splicing and the fact that not all the sentences are actually sentences would prevent her from getting Year 6 expected. Neither dyslexia nor ADHD would be accepted as an excuse. I think if a standard is expected at 11, it should be achievable by those who deem that standard to be “expected”.

I saw YC being interviewed the other day and felt shock that she was still around and potentially in a new government soon! It was very sobering to think that politicians of this low calibre who absolutely disgraced the position they hold over Brexit could actually return to power.

Lol at someone reaching for the smelling salts because because of Yvette Cooper and describing her as 'low calibre' when the Tories are right there, each of them like some kind of minor Monty Python character.

Not arsed about dodgy grammar, but I am amused by the idea of Kier Starmer’s “socialist cabal”.

*KEIR!

Lol at someone reaching for the smelling salts because because of Yvette Cooper and describing her as 'low calibre' when the Tories are right there, each of them like some kind of minor Monty Python character.

The Tories are so low calibre, they can’t even rustle up a Foreign Secretary without rummaging through the recycling.

Do you think alcohol might have been involved?

She just gives the finger 🖕 to members of the public.

It reads like a drunken rant. Or one of those WhatsApps you send an ex at 3am after a night out and then wake up in the morning and think 'what did I do?'
It's embarrassing.

CurlewKate · Today 15:45

<shrugs> It's perfectly clear what she means. That's what's important.

For a mere mortal, I'd agree, but I think people in power or in high-status jobs should be able to write and speak well. It just adds to my feeling that politicians of all colours are a shambolic, bargain-basement lot compared to 30/40 years ago.

It's my old constituency. I agree.

Why would diversity mean not being able to construct a sentence? It’s not only Eton that teaches that!
This seems a really prejudiced statement against people from less privileged backgrounds - though I’m aware you don’t mean it that way really. If we are talking about very elderly people, then they might not have had a full education (though my dad, who left school at 14) had extremely accurate grammar. Someone of Jenkyns’ generation had a thorough education provided by the state.
I disagree wit( some of what JRM said about grammar because he’s just wrong - but (and it kills me to say this) he’s not wrong that professional communication should be grammatical. It’s not rocket science.

You would be wrong in thinking that. Spelt is a grain. Spelled is the past tense of the verb to spell (though spelt is becoming more accepted)

That’s what she thinks she’s saying. It’s what she means. It’s not what she actually wrote. You can’t have official communication left up to assumptions.

So that's the level of a graduate from...errr...the University of Lincoln!!