People now dumping bull breed puppies, what can be done?

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Just seen this on local FB and I'm sure this isn't the only case.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/391520164531031/permalink/2023633937986304/

What can be done to stop things like this happening or is it inevitable with the recent ban? I'm not even sure if they are the banned breed

The 86 yr old mauled to death by three Pit bull types while gardening in her own garden happened in Calgary.

The owner of the Pits said ''she swung a basket of dandelions at them'' and they killed her for that...excusing their behaviour.

{Pic of killing dogs with their owner }

We will never be able to reduce fatalities caused by dogs to 0. Not in Calgary or anywhere else.

When looking at the effectiveness of legislation in reducing bites and fatalities we need to look at the overall stats, not particular incidents.

Calgary has not managed to reduce the number of pitbull-related incidents to 0, nor will it ever. Even if it banned them, but it has reduced them dramatically.

What happened to that woman was awful but the irresponsible owner who allowed his unleashed dogs to enter private property bears responsibility for that, not the dogs. The dogs should be pts, of course, but their owner should be held criminally liable and be banned from keeping animals.

You cannot use that one example as a way to diminish what Calgary has achieved overall.

Educating children in particular is a good idea

Children lack the brain development to be responsible for keeping themselves safe around animals that can kill them

Proper safeguarding means you stop and limit the opportunity for that to happen. That would mean dogs always on leads unless in a dog park, muzzles over a certain weight in public, but all owners encouraged so and any owner guilty of allowing their dog, whatever the size to bite a child or another dog should be charged with a criminal offence and have the animal seized. Anyone allowing children to be unsupervised around any dog or to interact with dog inappropriately dog seized and barred from ownership.

Sadly, in England we seem to think a certain amount of child maiming/fatality is acceptable so dogs can have priority so the above will never happen. That's why you get people wailing about children approaching strange dogs.

Which is stupid because of it happens, it's because 99% of owners encourage and ime bully children to interact with their dog to justify their freedom to run up to people. My autistic child will never learn how to interact or get over her fear of dogs, and yet I've had owners, countless times, forcing interaction and grumbling that my child is scared or even just behaving appropriately by not stroking etc. and even if the fear was irrational, it's not most dogs can floor her, hurt her, the way to address a phobia is not with an out of control dog. And I know in Mumsnet land everyone claims to be a responsible owner but that's not a reflection of reality as most are ineffective, lazy or selfish.

Honestly, the sentimentality over these animals where they are put high above human welfare baffles me. I love animals, but all animals, including the ones killed in terror for dog food, yet I'd never accept human deaths as a reasonable price for animals wants and needs. Honestly, if you can't meet a dog's needs without imposing it on others and passing on that unconsented for risk, then you shouldn't have that animal.

Oh and dogs are not a right or an essential so the comparison to cars is laughable.
Apart from guide dogs, but none of them are shitting everywhere and ripping people apart

Cars are also not a right or essential, so I'm not sure what point you are trying to make @HalloweenonXMas ?

Being in the UK, I was not familiar with this awful case, but from what I have just read it doesn't seem that he was an irresponsible owner, in as far as it goes (choice of dog breed aside)? The dogs appeared to be well trained, not involved in prior incidents and contained (but severe weather had compromised a locked gate).

I am guessing that if they were Labradors that had escaped and the owner had swung a bag of dandelions at them, she would have lived to tell the tale.

Currently, in most places outside London or being cities in the UK cars are essential.

I am reading everyone comments thank you.

UPDATE: According to the Facebook post, the dog warden is looking after them and they have found a lactating bitch but they are not sure if she's the mother yet.

I don't own a car nor do I live in a city. I manage perfectly well.

Regarding the Calgary incident;

1. Those are not American Pitbull Terriers. Pitbulls are much smaller and leaner.
2. A responsible owner would have checked the fence after bad weather before allowing the dogs out unsupervised.

As I said, no country, county, or city will ever be able to bring the number of dog-related fatalities to 0 but Calgary's legislation has reduced dog bites by 80% whereas the UK has seen dog bites rise by more than 70% since banning pitbull types.

I know which legislation I would feel safer with.

It's brilliant if it is vague enough to lawfully cover other big dogs that also look terrifying. Obviously doesn't go far enough and needs to be very strongly enforced.
Remember to report any you see and any dog of any breed that is out of control using the report a dog link on the gov.uk website.
Let's hope this paves the way for society to start valuing children over dogs again.

I don't own a car nor do I live in a city. I manage perfectly well

Oh apologies, because if you can manage well in your particular corner of the UK, that must mean everyone can manage beautifully. Those who live in less accessible areas, have jobs dependant on driving, disabled children etc we'll we must be doing it wrong because you manage so beautifully.

I'd give you a biscuit but I can't get to any shops without a car.

Cars are extremely necessary. Dogs are never. Even guide dogs, we have proper tech now.

Oh joy, The predictable "ban all dogs" brigade have arrived.

Plenty of individuals can manage without cars, but society as we know it would not really function without cars and other road transport. The same cannot be said of dogs. Society would manage just fine if a virus wiped them all out.

Farmers, the police, border security, the army, and search and rescue organizations would probably disagree with that.

Guide dogs are essential for those who have them.
Local woman has had three Guides in her life, and when her old guide retired she was without a dog for over a year.
Her quality of life was massively impacted.
She is now out and about with her “ New” Guide, an impeccable dog just as her past dogs have been.
It’s very arrogant to assume what a blind person may not need.
She gets companionship from her Guide- no tech can do that.

There should be an amnesty so people can dump their unwanted/excess dogs so they can be rehomed or destroyed safely. It worked well when the handgun laws were tightened up after Dunblane, loads of people handed their weapons in. Dogs are a weapon, just a living one.

They should be humanely euthanased. That's all that could and should be done. The breeding line is at an end thanks to greedy backtmyard breeders and it's time for the poorly thought out science experiment that is XL Bullys to come to an end, as well as other neurologically damaged similar dog breeds. Nobody should have a domestic pet that can kill them.

Cars are extremely necessary. Dogs are never. Even guide dogs, we have proper tech now.

Haven't you seen I, Robot or Terminator???

Why would you need an amnesty? XL bully dogs are currently legal to own. It is also legal to have your dog euthanised for any reason.

Does anyone who supports this legislation actually understand it?

@Boomboom22. What makes you the arbitrator of necessity? My dog is more necessary to me than a car. Actually I can't have a car, no matter how convienient I would find it, living in a semi-rural village as I do. I have a visual processing disorder which legally bars me from driving. Damn inconvenient with trains as bad as they are, but like millions of other carless people all over the world, I manage somehow.

I wish people would stop rising to the bait of the tedious anti-dog trolls.

Because so many people are pro-XL bully, @Forsakenalmosthuman ? Why can't the dog-obsessed people get their heads round the fact that there are lots of people out there who don't like dogs, any dogs, and especially not the XL chav-beasts. That doesn't make them "trolls".

I am referring to the posters who pop up in every blessed dog thread with gems like Iiii will happily volunteer to kill all the dogs, Dogs should be used as meat, Fuck blind people they don't need dogs, etc etc.

So edgy of them.