People now dumping bull breed puppies, what can be done?

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Just seen this on local FB and I'm sure this isn't the only case.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/391520164531031/permalink/2023633937986304/

What can be done to stop things like this happening or is it inevitable with the recent ban? I'm not even sure if they are the banned breed

People will never stop, outside MN there are many people who sell drugs, steal, get women into prostitution, attack others. They live outside the law and will just make money at any opportunity.

Same where I am. I like Stafford but I wouldn't risk a rescue one as no idea of its history

There are some lovely Staffies, but also some from good litters that have attacked and caused serious damage. Another problem is that since the Pitbull ban some irresponsible breeders tried to breed larger ‚Special Staffies‘ blurring the lines.

I agree with you.

Huge fines and sentences, controls on breeding, selling, owning, and imports (including semen). Of any dog.

Plus, there needs to be more that can be done re dog on dog attacks, if I remember right an MP was trying to do something about this.

@disappearingfish

Really do not understand this mindset, shall we ban Audis because a demographic of dangerous drivers have an Audi. Or shall we we make laws tougher for all dangerous drivers? I can guarantee more people die as a result of dangerous driving every year percentage wise then having a large breed dog.

Also the usual sexist comment that a woman cannot control a dog is a ridiculous statement. I'm a woman I have a Rottweiler, I can control it. I also can control my 600kg horse which again is perfectly okay for me to have in public.

Don't understand how people can willingly be part of a system that forces female dogs into multiple pregnancies and disposes of any less than perfect offspring, all in favour of getting it to be the perfect colour, shape, which is further removed from the animal it is. A wolf.

How people who claim they love dogs overwhelmingly go for bred animals, enough to make it a ludicrous industry is beyond me. And don't give me that 'know it's history, you can train a puppy' bullshit seeing as very few dog owners these days actually train their dogs. (Yes, we notice and appreciate them, but they stick out like sore thumbs)

But as these so called animal lovers are willing for the mass slaughter of farm animals to have the luxury of owning a pet, I guess the bar is very low.

Dogs are descended from wolves, not butterflies. I treat them accordingly. I would never leave a child with any dog, from Pekinese to bull. But obviously a bull can easily kill a grown man so thqts why they have to be banned and yes some will be put down.

This is because of humans. Human stupidity, stubbornness and greed.

I was chased by a doberman as a child, it was absolutely terrifying. Personally I think the list of banned dogs should be much longer. We can't trust people to train and socialise them properly, so better not to give them the opportunity to own them. Cane Corsos, Preso Canarios, Staffies, Rotties, mastiff's GS's and anything else originally bred to be a powerful guard dog or fighting dog should be banned.

Basically most of the dogs on this list of dogs that have killed in the uk,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_Kingdom

@itsmyp4rty

I was hit by a car as a child it was also absolutely terrifying, I think we should ban all cars, there's no other solution.

Ohh actually hang on dangerous drivers go to prison do they? That could work for owners of dogs who attack people too.

I'd put them to sleep. I mean, I wouldn't because I already have a job and am not looking for one, but the concept of it doesn't bother me. These dogs are dangerous, vicious and unwanted and the idea of putting them and society out of their misery doesn't make me all misty eyed and sentimental.

If you can't tell the difference between average male and female strength I can't help you. That's not sexist, that's a fact.

If you can't tell the difference between a horse and a dog I really, really can't help you.

So you just spotted that people with an interest in dogs bred for fighting don't actually care about dogs. How exactly was that a surprise?

They can't be safely rehomed, so the pups should be put to sleep. It's sad, but inevitable.

I'll do the putting-down, if provided with protective clothing and basic training.

@disappearingfish

Physical strength is not the only thing required to control an animal. Hence the reference to the horse. A men would not have the physical strength to control a 600kg horse, which is also an offence to allow to be dangerously out of control in public.

I suppose female police dog handlers can't control there dog either?

But I suspect you are being deliberately obtuse

You have a point, and if done humanely, then euthanasia is definitely not a bad option for an animal which otherwise has no realistic prospect of a decent life or future.

Of course not breeding them to start with would be even better.

There is a dangerous misconception that breeds originally bred to fight will suddenly turn into easy family pets.

I think the misconception here is that the owners are looking for easy family pets.

Because why do the owners choose these dogs? Why did the flawed ban on pitbulls lead to more deaths from even bigger and more powerful dogs?

What can be done about the owners? The people who stoke the demand for the (usually low quality) breeders to produce them?

Lovely dog - and not the point of this thread LOL - but interested to hear you call your dog a Cardigan. Surely he's a Pembroke?

@Sarvanga38 nope he's a Cardi! The rarer type of corgi. Our girl is a Pembroke, though not a particularly "good" example of the breed (of course I think she is perfect!) Cardigans are bigger and heavier with bigger ears and their tails were never docked.

You have a point, and if done humanely, then euthanasia is definitely not a bad option for an animal which otherwise has no realistic prospect of a decent life or future.

You could use the same argument for some kids tbf, although I'm not disagreeing it's likely the only option after a certain point with the huge number of these unwanted dogs.

No. I couldn't use the same argument for kids. If you can, then so be it, I am not here to tell you how to think.

The car analogy is stupid but...

We expect people to have well maintained, taxed and insured cars.
We expect people to follow the rules of the road.
We expect drivers to have a licence and to be physically and mentally fit to drive.
We enforce car manufacturers to comply to safety standards.
We prosecute people who break the law.

Cars don't kill people, drivers of cars kill people.

Dogs are not cars. Of course people are responsible for dogs but if a driver is banned their car can just sit on their drive. You can't mothball a dog.

Agree. Sure, when the ban is in place there will still be scumbags who have these dogs. The ban should mean that the earlier instances of anti-social behaviour that have been reported prior to some of the deaths will give a mechanism to stop things escalating to actual deaths and life-changing injuries. (Hopefully this will also help the very many people who have had dogs attacked or killed.)

However, if it stops standard families having such dogs because it is expensive, restrictive and no longer 'socially acceptable', then it will also stop some of the other stuff. So many stories of these dogs being 'loving family companions' ... until they weren't and caused horrific damage or death.

It still utterly bemuses me that people deny there is an issue and lump these dogs in with GSDs, Dobermanns, etc. The sheer numbers and years of integration within society of 'standard' breeds in comparison to the relative recency and fewer numbers of XL Bullies, yet so many more serious attacks is just undeniable.

Even when there are deaths caused by other breeds, they are usually (not always) incomparable - looking at the list of deaths by 'other breeds' they include tiny babies, small children, infirm adults (including epileptic seizures), drugged dogs(!), adults who have died from complications such as sepsis, rather than directly being killed by the dogs.

'Staffordshire Bull Terriers' do feature, but anyone who knows what an SBT should look like will know that SBT is a very wide remit that mostly doesn't remotely resemble the actual breed.

@Sarvanga38

I agree with you to an extent tbf, you talk a lot of sense. And I agree a lot of these dogs will be destroyed and in some cases it may be the better option.

I'm more frustrated with the idea that banning the XL bully will irradiate the problem. It will not another giant badly bred mix breed will just replace them.

I'm also sad for all the genuine good owners/ breeders of other large powerful dogs such as. Doberman/ Rottweiler/ GSD who are now seeing calls for there beloved breeds to be banned when literally hundreds of years have gone into creating the amazing creatures we own today.

And your Staffy point is spot on, the only issue is less dog educated people spot "Staffy type" in the news article and believe that related to the well bred small dog that are supposed to be the real breed standard. Then call for the dog to be banned.

I'm more frustrated with the idea that banning the XL bully will irradiate the problem. It will not another giant badly bred mix breed will just replace them.

And I don't disagree with this either. However, I think bad dog breeding is too far down the sinkhole now to resurrect it any other way than to jump on these as they happen.

I agree that Cane Corso will be the next focus. A magnificent dog in the right circumstances, when well bred and reared - a ticking time bomb in the wrong hands.

Ovcharka have been interesting. It seemed a good few years back that they were going to explode in the UK, but it thankfully seems to have remained fairly contained. Another breed where the comments above apply.

Ovacharkas are bloody terrifying 😳 I'm hoping they are too expensive to become much of a thing in the UK (for the scummy arseholes who would turn them into killing machines)

@Sarvanga38

See I think this is where we disagree.

I think the clamp down needs to come before the stage these badly bred dogs become an epidemic.

I think dog ownership should be treated the same as car ownership,

The breeder must update the data base with the microchip number (number plate) to the new registered owner and if the dog changes hands again this must again be completed.

Vets/ some other animal professionals should routinely scan dogs for microchips and see that they are registered to the correct owner. Out of control dog attacks people this can be traced back to whoever the owner is to receive there prison sentences/ fine. also if a breeder consistently produces dogs with aggressive tendencies this can be traced back and questioned and there breeding licences removed.