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Dave is Back!!!

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LadyMacB · 13/11/2023 10:00

Dave Cameron is back in the cabinet…. desperate throw of the dice or inspired move to limit the inevitable defeat?

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sherloc · 13/11/2023 13:17

Cruella out.
James Cleverly (pro Ukraine) Foreign Sec becomes Home Sec so harder to blame immigration, border force and the police for racism.
Chillaxed Dave as Foreign Sec, can't be grilled in the HoC. Abandons Ukraine (Boris and James C were drivers), does Donald Trump's peace deal - albeit in rather more than 24 hours - UK and US taxpayers save a fortune, inflation and interest rates drop, Tories and Democrats retain power in 2024.
As mad as Nad, or a possibility?

HamstersAreMyLife · 13/11/2023 13:18

MrsHarrisAParis · 13/11/2023 12:34

If you were going to bring back a name from the past (currently unelected since it doesn't seem to matter) which Tory would you make Foreign Sec?
It seems like an esoteric Buzzfeed quiz.
Personally I'd have brought back Rory Stewart. He, at least, has years of experience in the Middle East.

Dominic Grieve, sensible man

MotherofPearl · 13/11/2023 13:18

roarrfeckingroar · 13/11/2023 10:01

I'm glad to see him. I'm a long time Tory voter but of the centrist liberal variety, not the recent mess.

There are no liberal centrist Tories left. The Tories are now the party of the far-right. Sunak has just committed electoral suicide (not that I care, as a non-Tory).

lovescats3 · 13/11/2023 13:19

Shows at least they have some common sense!

jgw1 · 13/11/2023 13:20

lovescats3 · 13/11/2023 13:16

4 junior ministers have quit which is interesting

If they quit now they can do nothing for 6 months and then when they lose their seats in a May GE go straight into another job, whereas if they stayed as ministers until the GE they would have to wait 6 months before they could lobby the remenants of the Tory party.

MaggieFS · 13/11/2023 13:21

IslandsInTheSunshine · 13/11/2023 11:37

Is there anyone on Mumsnet who dares to say they are a Conservative?

(That's not to say they approve of all they do.)

Never appears that way when the Left pile in on these threads.

Happy to say I used to be a Tory. Not sure what I am now. Certainly not a fan of Sunak who was always pro-Brexit.

I was hopeful when he came in (behind a low base with Johnson and Truss, of course), but he's been ineffective.

RedToothBrush · 13/11/2023 13:22

lovescats3 · 13/11/2023 13:16

4 junior ministers have quit which is interesting

Here's your explaination.

Fionna O'Leary At Fascinatorfun
So Jesse Norman has resigned. One of the few reputed to have some intellectual heft. This certainly won’t be in solidarity with Braverman. I think he despises her. More : it looks as if he wants to take environmental shots at the Government !
(posts resignation letter)

Louise Crossley AT CandidePeel
I think a number of junior ministers have been wanting to resign for quite some time. Some who are standing down at GE and want time to look for a new job before the market is flooded with ex Tory MPs; and some who are staying but want to be free to campaign for their seats.

https://twitter.com/CandidePeel

jlpth · 13/11/2023 13:22

Rishi isn't doing well in terms of popularity. IMO, he was silly to be a part of toppling Bojo, who despite a shit tonne of faults, managed to be popular with millions of people. And popular internationally. And politics is a popularity contest.

Cameron went over Brexit. He was against it, he got forced into the referendum by other people in the conservative party. I would have gone if I were him - he didn't want Brexit so he shouldn't have had to mop up the fall out. He actively advised everyone to vote remain, they didn't so he left.

So since Rishi isn't that popular, it seems to be a good move to bring back Cameron who was a bit more popular.

BloodyHellKen · 13/11/2023 13:23

MrsHarrisAParis · 13/11/2023 12:44

I really dislike Alistair Campbell but For Sec in the current climate and with no accountability to the Commons feels like such a poisoned chalice, it would be a difficult decision to call.

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I've always found Alistair Campbell inexplicably sexy 😁

Butchyrestingface · 13/11/2023 13:23

GettinChillyHereFFS · 13/11/2023 10:04

The man fucked a pigs head. He should be no where near the leadership of this country.

Oh aye, I'd almost forgotten about #PigNonceGate.

MaggieFS · 13/11/2023 13:23

Araminta1003 · 13/11/2023 11:50

“He was the one who instigated the referendum in the first place.”

He instigated it trying to shut up the far right in his party for good and it massively backfired for the whole country. It was also the era of online persuasion and Russian influence etc; so who knows what really happened. It is still one of those very random moments in history that has had long term devastating consequences not just for Britain but for world politics and world stability.

The lesson that has to be learnt on both sides is do not tolerate any extremists in your party. You may think they are there to get votes from some extreme voters, but really they should not be in the 2 main parties. The extremists should be camped in their own minor parties.

I'd add two lessons to that to even consider a result binding: 1) set a minimum turnout requirement 2) set a clear margin for victory.

TheMurderousGoose · 13/11/2023 13:24

made me lol

Dave is Back!!!
jlpth · 13/11/2023 13:24

lovescats3 · 13/11/2023 13:14

So the architect of the shit show of austerity and Brexit is back, we truly are in a banana republic now

He certainly wasn't the architect of Brexit. He actively told people to vote remain. He was forced into the referendum by other people in the party - their support for him was probably conditional on it.

I mean I do agree our politics is fucked and the UK is a disgrace, I just don't think that it's accurate to say that David Cameron was the architect of Brexit when he actively opposed it. Bojo and other conservatives cooked brexit up.

BloodyHellKen · 13/11/2023 13:27

jlpth · 13/11/2023 13:24

He certainly wasn't the architect of Brexit. He actively told people to vote remain. He was forced into the referendum by other people in the party - their support for him was probably conditional on it.

I mean I do agree our politics is fucked and the UK is a disgrace, I just don't think that it's accurate to say that David Cameron was the architect of Brexit when he actively opposed it. Bojo and other conservatives cooked brexit up.

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Absolutely. Whatever you think of DC he was firmly in the remain camp.

HRTQueen · 13/11/2023 13:28

But Cameron called the referendum he was PM he didn’t have to election promises have been broken before it’s was a gamble he should never have taken

Johnson just went where he felt it was better for him personally as he always has done

TrashedSofa · 13/11/2023 13:28

Rishi isn't doing well in terms of popularity. IMO, he was silly to be a part of toppling Bojo, who despite a shit tonne of faults, managed to be popular with millions of people. And popular internationally. And politics is a popularity contest.

Johnson was about as well liked as herpes by the time the Tories finally booted him out. His individual ratings in summer 2022 were horrifying. If he was still popular with millions of people, they'd have kept him in place. They only got rid of him because he was a liability. Granted, they don't have anyone else to lead who isn't also a liability.

MaggieFS · 13/11/2023 13:29

MrsHarrisAParis · 13/11/2023 12:34

If you were going to bring back a name from the past (currently unelected since it doesn't seem to matter) which Tory would you make Foreign Sec?
It seems like an esoteric Buzzfeed quiz.
Personally I'd have brought back Rory Stewart. He, at least, has years of experience in the Middle East.

I don't think Rory Stewart is stupid enough to go anywhere near the current regime. He's still got plenty of future ahead of him. I can't wait for the next edition of his podcast after this!

ilovesooty · 13/11/2023 13:31

I see Andrea Jenkyns has tweeted in support of Braverman. Toxic woman.

As has Kate Hooey. How that woman got elected as a Labour MP and kept her seat is baffling to me.

LizzieSiddal · 13/11/2023 13:34

jlpth · 13/11/2023 13:24

He certainly wasn't the architect of Brexit. He actively told people to vote remain. He was forced into the referendum by other people in the party - their support for him was probably conditional on it.

I mean I do agree our politics is fucked and the UK is a disgrace, I just don't think that it's accurate to say that David Cameron was the architect of Brexit when he actively opposed it. Bojo and other conservatives cooked brexit up.

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He gave the country a referendum which most of his cabinet ministers, tried to persuade him was a terrible mistake. He then walked away like a coward instead of doing his job.

PeaceBreaksOut · 13/11/2023 13:37

jlpth · 13/11/2023 13:22

Rishi isn't doing well in terms of popularity. IMO, he was silly to be a part of toppling Bojo, who despite a shit tonne of faults, managed to be popular with millions of people. And popular internationally. And politics is a popularity contest.

Cameron went over Brexit. He was against it, he got forced into the referendum by other people in the conservative party. I would have gone if I were him - he didn't want Brexit so he shouldn't have had to mop up the fall out. He actively advised everyone to vote remain, they didn't so he left.

So since Rishi isn't that popular, it seems to be a good move to bring back Cameron who was a bit more popular.

Johnson was an electoral liability from the point that Ant and Dec decided to stick the boot in. And even the Tory cabinet of the time, who'd normally knife their own granny for high office, had decided unanimously* that no job was worth their treatment by Johnson.

*except Nadine, obvs

Peregrina · 13/11/2023 13:38

He was forced into the referendum by other people in the party - their support for him was probably conditional on it.

Being a PM should be about Leadership. He should have told the ERG where to get off, but he didn't. He is as much the architect of Brexit as anyone else. He didn't have to call a Referendum at the time he did. Harold Wilson was smart enough to call one when he knew he would win.

RustyBear · 13/11/2023 13:39

monsteramunch · 13/11/2023 10:17

He won't be answerable to MPs in the House of Commons, as he won't be able to speak there.

I didn't know this. How on earth does that work?! God what an absolute embarrassment this government is.

It happens because nobody has ever actually changed the rules so that ministers have to be in the Commons - or actually even in Parliament. It’s only a convention that they are. In fact, there was a recommendation from a cross-party commission in 2021 that bringing in ministers who were not in Parliament would allow ‘talent from outside’ and provide specialist experience. I don’t think anything ever came of it, although it was endorsed by Michael Gove, who was Minister for the Cabinet Office at the time.

AutumnCrow · 13/11/2023 13:40

I'm hallucinating, right? Lord Snooty is back.

Talk TV now: Prof John Curtice on. He's quite surprised too.

Blinky06 · 13/11/2023 13:41

Spot on, Sunack is desperate. We need a general election now.

MrsHarrisAParis · 13/11/2023 13:41

BloodyHellKen · 13/11/2023 13:23

I've always found Alistair Campbell inexplicably sexy 😁

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😂is that you Alistair? (only joking!)
The only time I like Alistair is when he visits Charles Kennedy's grave and plays a lament on the bagpipes for him. It's very moving.

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