To think the Labour Party has lost its mind..

[Certainfailure]

Absolutely fuming with some of the clowns in the Labour Party.
25 points ahead of the Conservatives in the opinion polls.
Starmer slowly making the party electable and moving away from the reputation of the party being a left wing student activist group and terrorist supporters. The next GE theirs to lose.
And now word on the grapevine is that 40 odd MPs are ready to resign from the front bench because of they disagree with Starmer’s stance on a ceasefire. Quite a few labour councillors have already resigned from the party and now stand as independents. Big names like Rayner and Burnham have already stuck their oars in too.
Really cannot believe that a conflict thousands of miles away, albeit tragic, has now assumed more importance than the frightful state of the country. That these people are quite happy to throw away the progress that’s been made electorally for the sake of a frankly almost unsolvable conflict that’s lasted 70 plus years and is incredibly complex whilst the country is rapidly falling apart and in desperate need of change.
If Starmer resigns over this, no way will I ever vote Labour again and I say this as a life long labour voter for the last 35 years. Thought we’d seen the last of Corbyn and his vote losing influence but nope, there he is, with his little pet project, destined to scupper yet another GE for Labour. Anyone feel the same way ?

Really? Firing / quitting isn’t that common

I’d say the news yesterday was dominated by the other stuff anyway

This will be in today's news, and the Mail/ Telegraph will make a massive deal out of it. Only Jess Phillips and the other guy have resigned so far. Hope Jess comes back after the election, and if this keeps her seat, then it's good. There will be new blood after the election anyway but the press will make a big deal of it.

They make a big deal out of everything. It is newsworthy still even if people prefer not

Meanwhile I won’t be voting Labour (for the first time in my life) at the next election because the party doesn’t support a ceasefire.

if I were an MP I couldn’t have it on my conscience to vote against a ceasefire.

The Telegraph is leading on Rwanda - it understands its readership very well. The Tory faithful don’t give a toss about what’s happening on the opposition front bench.

Too much focus not enough..

Labour always have that the media are against us moan .

@Angrycat2768 you were right here I've always rolled my eyes a bit at the ' mainstream media makes us lose elections' because Labour always use it as an excuse

Forgotten this then?

You moaned no focus 🤷‍♂️

It’s an excuse as pp says

I don’t understand. Could you use complete sentences, please?

I wouldn't vote labour while ever Starmer is in charge anyway.

notlucreziaborgia · 12/11/2023 09:18

That’s not how that works. You made the claim that there is a majority consensus as to Israel committing genocide, the onus is on you to prove it.

Or on you to read the news, of course.

Also what is the point of Councillors in Oxford resigning and starting a new Party.
Well they were last week.
Is Netanyahu concerned by this?
Where are their brain cells? Up their arse?

That was 30 years ago when the print news industry wasn't dying on its arse! They were still using that excuse in 2019! It's exactly my point. If they identify poor publicity in newspapers as the reason for their defeat they need to put strategies in place to counter rbalance that. They have had 30 years and the invention of the Internet since that headline. Truth is, there are too many people in the Labour Party who are not interested in winning elections because it is easier to sit on the sidelines saying ' if only the voters weren't so dumb/knew what was good for them/MSM it would be so much better' than it is to actually do something to get elected and appeal to the most people.

You do know that people read exactly the same news online now? And the internet provides far more opportunities for the Murdochs of this world to put their spin on the news? Anyway even The Telegraph’s pretty much given up on the Tories now.

This is crazy. You would risk letting the Tories in for another term of destruction because of Labour's stance on a ceasefire in Palestine?

I support a ceasefire but also realise that even if the whole of the UK Parliament voted for a ceasefire, it would not make one jot of difference. We have no power over Israel. Only when the US starts calling for a ceasefire will Israel start to listen.

I agree, OP, I want to knock their heads together, all those who've resigned or got themselves fired.
Hamas are not about to just put their guns down and hands up. They have made it clear many times that they're not interested in negotiating. As has Netanyahu.

I think Starmer is damned if he does, damned if he doesn't, and he's done the only realistic thing and gone for the pragmatic approach. Have Labour not learned yet that Corbyn headbangers will not get them elected?
I was feeling quite confident of a Labour victory at the next GE, but now I'm really not so sure, especially with the recent cabinet reshuffle that's shifted the Tory leadership away from that party's headbangers and back towards centre.

I live in a safe seat so it doesn’t make a difference anyway, but even if it did, I would still not vote Labour. I can’t, in good conscience. You can only set aside your own morals for so long in the hope of achieving the lesser of two evils before you realise that voting for a lesser evil still means you’re choosing evil.

(I should also say that it’s not just their stance on the ceasefire which makes labour a fucking nightmare these days, but it is the last straw)

Unfortunately OP I agree with you

Yes well you can't shut down a free press just because they have an opinion you don't like. What you can do is have a strong social media strategy using the thousands of other outlets that aren't controlled by Murdoch etc to get your message across and counteract the false narratives.

Obviously you can’t shut down a free press. Nor can you control the mainstream media whose political stance is dictated by its proprietor. Thank God they have to present a balanced picture once an election is called.

KS has to hold his line regarding calling for a ceasefire. To do otherwise is to make the Labour Party appear in thrall to a minority opinion.

Quite. Although of course continuing to stick to his position may mean more fallout like this.
I feel for the guy. Rock and a hard place. Just have to hope it doesn't fatally undermine him and/or their growing popularity.

When a quarter of the PLP think and act as if their opinions matter in an area on which it will make absolutely no difference to the outcome, apart from keeping some of their local members quiet, it rather makes me despair. As a floating voter, I too worry that it could undermine him.

Is calling for a ceasefire really a minority view? I doubt most people want the slaughter of the innocents to continue. Even if you thought the bombardment was justified , why would you be upset about MPs supporting this amendment , given the fact Israel will just ignore it?

Unless you've another axe to grind.
Time to break the glass and throw that old 'Blame Corbyn ' switch...