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Working on christmas day, the entitlement of others

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Mysticcatmum · 08/11/2023 11:15

I have a job in a 111 NHS call centre, the office is open 24hrs 7 days a week. I have just been given my Christmas rota and to my delight I have been given off Xmas day (which I have worked previous years).

Now I have had an influx of colleagues who have children, asking me to cover their shifts since 'I have no children'.

So, my question is, AIBU for thinking that I do not (apprantly) deserve to have a christmas off with my family (who have had a rough year) all for the sake of those who have children, who have been off previous years?

OP posts:
Dimondsareforever · 18/11/2023 10:32

I assume all these people with children are aware that their job is based on a 24/7 rota!!!
You absolutely deserve the time off! Enjoy!

daliesque · 18/11/2023 12:38

im so bored of this

No one is forcing you to keep posting. So leave, and leave those of us who know exactly what the OP meant to continue posting about our real life experiences that you don't seem to even believe.

Bye then 👋

wesurecouldstandgladioli · 18/11/2023 12:43

daliesque · 18/11/2023 12:38

im so bored of this

No one is forcing you to keep posting. So leave, and leave those of us who know exactly what the OP meant to continue posting about our real life experiences that you don't seem to even believe.

Bye then 👋

Her colleagues probably just give her Xmas Day off every year to get her off their backs.

Eggybrains · 18/11/2023 14:33

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🤣😂 you are so entertaining to read. I can't work out if you're a troll, totally delusional and this entitled. But each of your posts does make me laugh.
Moaning about the thread but posting more than others, absolutely hilarious.

neilyoungismyhero · 18/11/2023 15:32

I think all you need to say is that you've worked the previous x amount of Xmas days and so it's your turn now..end of

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 18/11/2023 15:34

This isn’t a court of law, @Eggybrains, and you are not prosecuting @Mysticcatmum.

I cannot understand why you are prepared to believe other posters on here, but are so absolutely convinced that the OP must be lying. Or why you think you have the right to demand that she tells her story in the one, single form that is acceptable to you.

Eggybrains · 18/11/2023 15:46

Ewock · 18/11/2023 15:28

🤣😂 you are so entertaining to read. I can't work out if you're a troll, totally delusional and this entitled. But each of your posts does make me laugh.
Moaning about the thread but posting more than others, absolutely hilarious.

Not moaning about the thread. Nothing wrong with it. Manipulating what actually happened to make it sound like you've been outrageously hard done by and then getting people to vote on what is clearly unreasonable behaviour from colleagues if it actually happened like how you're trying to present it is just weird. But glad you are happy.

Eggybrains · 18/11/2023 15:47

neilyoungismyhero · 18/11/2023 15:32

I think all you need to say is that you've worked the previous x amount of Xmas days and so it's your turn now..end of

But that's not relevant. It's like when there is a post about most popular babies names and someone says "My child is called Bob." I mean, who cares? I only mentioned I have worked Christmas Days as someone alleged that I didn't. People like to make untrue statements to suit their narrative.

Ewock · 18/11/2023 15:49

Eggybrains · 18/11/2023 15:46

Not moaning about the thread. Nothing wrong with it. Manipulating what actually happened to make it sound like you've been outrageously hard done by and then getting people to vote on what is clearly unreasonable behaviour from colleagues if it actually happened like how you're trying to present it is just weird. But glad you are happy.

🤣 you really are comedy gold. I love the fact you just keep coming back with this drivel, your imagination is pretty good. You've made up whole scenarios, honestly you should look into fiction writing I reckon you'd be good

Eggybrains · 18/11/2023 15:54

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 18/11/2023 15:34

This isn’t a court of law, @Eggybrains, and you are not prosecuting @Mysticcatmum.

I cannot understand why you are prepared to believe other posters on here, but are so absolutely convinced that the OP must be lying. Or why you think you have the right to demand that she tells her story in the one, single form that is acceptable to you.

No it's not a court of law. But the fact she hasn't confirmed what was actually said makes me think she manipulated what was said to make it sound like loads of colleagues said to her "you need to work my Christmas Day shift because I have kids and you don't." That's not actually what she said, so she's not lying, but that's how she has presented it and people have interpreted it.

She can decline to actually answer the question about what was actually said, but given the question has been posed, and she has declined to answer, I'm also allowed to draw my own conclusion which is based on other factors too, that the above was not said and she's presented the information to make it look like that happened, but it didn't.

I believe posters who have told their experience. I also believe the OP, but I don't believe she said what people have interpreted it as - I think it exceptionally improbable that loads of colleagues said to her, "you need to work my Christmas Day shift because I have kids and you don't."

Please don't tag or quote me unless the OP chooses to confirm what was actually said, which I don't think she will because the above was not said, but she wrote what she did to make people think that was what was said, make people be outraged and entirely inevitably vote in a poll to say she's right and her colleagues are dicks.

Ewock · 18/11/2023 15:55

Eggybrains · 18/11/2023 15:54

No it's not a court of law. But the fact she hasn't confirmed what was actually said makes me think she manipulated what was said to make it sound like loads of colleagues said to her "you need to work my Christmas Day shift because I have kids and you don't." That's not actually what she said, so she's not lying, but that's how she has presented it and people have interpreted it.

She can decline to actually answer the question about what was actually said, but given the question has been posed, and she has declined to answer, I'm also allowed to draw my own conclusion which is based on other factors too, that the above was not said and she's presented the information to make it look like that happened, but it didn't.

I believe posters who have told their experience. I also believe the OP, but I don't believe she said what people have interpreted it as - I think it exceptionally improbable that loads of colleagues said to her, "you need to work my Christmas Day shift because I have kids and you don't."

Please don't tag or quote me unless the OP chooses to confirm what was actually said, which I don't think she will because the above was not said, but she wrote what she did to make people think that was what was said, make people be outraged and entirely inevitably vote in a poll to say she's right and her colleagues are dicks.

Amazing! 🤣😂

Eggybrains · 18/11/2023 15:56

Ewock · 18/11/2023 15:49

🤣 you really are comedy gold. I love the fact you just keep coming back with this drivel, your imagination is pretty good. You've made up whole scenarios, honestly you should look into fiction writing I reckon you'd be good

No, just repeating myself as you don't seem to get it.

Eggybrains · 18/11/2023 15:57

Ewock · 18/11/2023 15:55

Amazing! 🤣😂

Has the OP come back to confirm what was said? No? What a surprise!

Ewock · 18/11/2023 15:59

Eggybrains · 18/11/2023 15:57

Has the OP come back to confirm what was said? No? What a surprise!

I absolutely get what you're saying. But as so many pp have said you're basically making it up.
But I am enjoying your tenacity and willingness to keep going with your own narrative to this. So keep on keeping on.

tiggergoesbounce · 18/11/2023 16:05

YA absolutely NBU.
I used to hate that, as if having kids gives the expectation of the day off. My me and my family wanted to see eachother just as much as those with kids.

Enjoy your christmas off, however you choose to spend it.

Eggybrains · 18/11/2023 16:15

Ewock · 18/11/2023 15:59

I absolutely get what you're saying. But as so many pp have said you're basically making it up.
But I am enjoying your tenacity and willingness to keep going with your own narrative to this. So keep on keeping on.

What am I making up? If you look at earlier posts you'll see loads of people who actually have to work Christmas etc saying that this sort of entitlement that is described wouldn't happen, or if it does it's exceptionally rare and is shot down immediately. I agree with this.

I'm saying that what the OP actually wrote could be interpreted in at least two different ways - you've chosen to interpret it in the way that she wanted you to, to get the poll response she wanted. She's never confirmed or refuted this.

I actually work a job which required 24/7 so know what I'm talking about. I suspect these weirdos saying "it's completely unreasonable to ask for any swaps" have never ever worked a job like this and don't know the reality of trying to have a life as well as a job like that. There's nothing wrong with asking. Saying "you should because you don't have children" is however, unreasonable, but I don't think that's what happened, and the OP hasn't said it did, so I'm not making it up.

Please, please stop quoting me unless the OP actually confirms or refutes what was said. Her silence speaks volumes.

Ewock · 18/11/2023 16:54

Eggybrains · 18/11/2023 16:15

What am I making up? If you look at earlier posts you'll see loads of people who actually have to work Christmas etc saying that this sort of entitlement that is described wouldn't happen, or if it does it's exceptionally rare and is shot down immediately. I agree with this.

I'm saying that what the OP actually wrote could be interpreted in at least two different ways - you've chosen to interpret it in the way that she wanted you to, to get the poll response she wanted. She's never confirmed or refuted this.

I actually work a job which required 24/7 so know what I'm talking about. I suspect these weirdos saying "it's completely unreasonable to ask for any swaps" have never ever worked a job like this and don't know the reality of trying to have a life as well as a job like that. There's nothing wrong with asking. Saying "you should because you don't have children" is however, unreasonable, but I don't think that's what happened, and the OP hasn't said it did, so I'm not making it up.

Please, please stop quoting me unless the OP actually confirms or refutes what was said. Her silence speaks volumes.

It really wouldn't matter what the op says you have made up your mind. If you read the thread loads of pp have said that it does happen and people are that entitled but you seem to only want to read what fits your narrative 🤷‍♀️
The op doesn't owe you any answer she gave the information and people answer based on that. You are hugely invested in this thread, in a wonderfully hilarious way.
It's good you have never come across people like the op and others have, but as with everything this doesn't mean that it doesn't happen. To have the view that if it hasn't happen for you to be aware of means it's never happened to anyone really only shows how closed your mind is.

MinnieGirl · 18/11/2023 17:05

fitzwilliamdarcy · 17/11/2023 10:37

@Eggybrains Ah, now I get why you’re so adamant to argue that the OP’s colleagues didn’t say “cos you don’t have kids” - because it’s the very thing that turns “can you swap with me?” imho entitlement.

”Can you swap with me next Saturday?” is very different to “Can you swap with me on Christmas Day? I have kids and you don’t”.

And yes, people really do say it. Sometimes it gets said after the first (or fourth) no. But it does get said. Hell, I have two colleagues who’ve reported me to HR for discriminating against them as mothers by refusing to swap so I can have my first Xmas off in 8 years.

But sure, you know better because you swapped with parents for a few years before having kids.

That is so entitled it’s almost untrue…..
Please tell us you are not going to back down and swop under any circumstances…..
And keep us updated!

Eggybrains · 18/11/2023 17:24

Ewock · 18/11/2023 16:54

It really wouldn't matter what the op says you have made up your mind. If you read the thread loads of pp have said that it does happen and people are that entitled but you seem to only want to read what fits your narrative 🤷‍♀️
The op doesn't owe you any answer she gave the information and people answer based on that. You are hugely invested in this thread, in a wonderfully hilarious way.
It's good you have never come across people like the op and others have, but as with everything this doesn't mean that it doesn't happen. To have the view that if it hasn't happen for you to be aware of means it's never happened to anyone really only shows how closed your mind is.

No, I would believe her colleagues said it if they she said so, but she’s not. I mean if they really did, why would you need to come on here and have a poll- of course they’re being dicks?

I do believe it happens in the way that occasionally someone murders their colleague. Or occasionally someone swaps the milk in the fridge at work for breast milk. I just don’t believe it’s common, and if it really did happen like you think it did - “you must swap with me because I have kids and you don’t” - the OP would have confirmed this rather than say stuff that could be interpreted this way (to get the response she wanted), but also the way I have - so she’s not lying.

im not invested in this. I just keep getting emails about it cos you keep quoting or tagging me - something I’ve asked you to pls stop.

so Ewok, how many work places have you worked in where you need to provide Christmas Day cover? What’s your sample size?

SoRainbowRhythms · 18/11/2023 17:40
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I can't believe the amount of pages of someone arguing a situation they made up 😅

Isometimeswonder · 18/11/2023 17:46

Please stop responding to or quoting @Eggybrains everyone!
She is attention seeking, don't bite.

fitzwilliamdarcy · 18/11/2023 17:50

MinnieGirl · 18/11/2023 17:05

That is so entitled it’s almost untrue…..
Please tell us you are not going to back down and swop under any circumstances…..
And keep us updated!

I’m certainly not! They are extraordinarily entitled - they’re used to getting their own way because my boss panders to them, so they’ve become monsters. I’ve no interest in doing them a favour ever again!

Ewock · 18/11/2023 17:52

Eggybrains · 18/11/2023 17:24

No, I would believe her colleagues said it if they she said so, but she’s not. I mean if they really did, why would you need to come on here and have a poll- of course they’re being dicks?

I do believe it happens in the way that occasionally someone murders their colleague. Or occasionally someone swaps the milk in the fridge at work for breast milk. I just don’t believe it’s common, and if it really did happen like you think it did - “you must swap with me because I have kids and you don’t” - the OP would have confirmed this rather than say stuff that could be interpreted this way (to get the response she wanted), but also the way I have - so she’s not lying.

im not invested in this. I just keep getting emails about it cos you keep quoting or tagging me - something I’ve asked you to pls stop.

so Ewok, how many work places have you worked in where you need to provide Christmas Day cover? What’s your sample size?

I'm relying to you now because you've specifically asked me a question even though in the same post you asked people to stop quoting you. Odd but hey ho.

To answer your question at present I do not work in a job that needs weekend or over holidays cover (Easter, Xmas etc) I made the decision to change my career when I decided I would like (hoped to have) chn in the future.

Before this decision I worked in 3 different jobs where weekend and holiday working was part of the contract. So I guess, this is rough figures as quite a few years ago, around 100 ish people as colleagues over the 3 jobs.

Generally most people are fine and respectful, but I did come across, I think 5 if I remember correctly, that would not take no for an answer when asked to swap for Xmas and Easter at some points. I was a lot younger late teens and early 20s, I was told that I didn't need Xmas off as I was only going to see my parents and it didn't matter if we celebrated on the day or not. When I declined their request stating that I had worked the holidays previous years so would be taking that year off, as the rota stated they were not so nice, making things uncomfortable at work by talking about me behind my back saying I was selfish etc.

So to answer your question I have met enough to know that people like op colleagues do exist sadly. They are not the majority but they do exist and this does happen. I would say the frequency depends on the pool of colleagues you work with.

Your analogies of happens as often as someone murders their colleague is quite frankly ridiculous, can you not see the difference between murdering someone (quite the extreme occurance), to someone using their kids as a reason that should be able to cherry pick shifts?

This is obviously something you feel strangely passionate about, but surely you can at least imagine that it could happen more often that you have seen? And the fact that numerous other pp have confirmed they have themselves been in this position, you still seem to think everyone is lying. So again I don't think the op answering you directly will have any baring on your thoughts. You refuse to take others experiences into account and only base things on your experience. 🤷‍♀️

Ewock · 18/11/2023 17:53

fitzwilliamdarcy · 18/11/2023 17:50

I’m certainly not! They are extraordinarily entitled - they’re used to getting their own way because my boss panders to them, so they’ve become monsters. I’ve no interest in doing them a favour ever again!

Good on you for standing up for yourself. Totally unacceptable that they have gone to hr.