Trans/pride flag in children's stickers

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This was included in a pack of squishmallow stickers... why???
AIBU or is this totally wrong ??

For a supposed 'data nerd', you don't follow the statistics at all, and you seem utterly oblivious to the ENORMOUS INCREASE of attacks on women.

https://fairplayforwomen.com/criminality/

https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/18973/pdf/

https://torontosun.com/news/national/study-finds-nearly-45-of-trans-women-inmates-convicted-of-sex-crimes?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1675280103

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/seven-sex-attacks-in-womens-jails-by-transgender-convicts-cx9m8zqpg?fbclid=IwAR1JhugsOSdg58PzKpMAfvzqZVXxb7mRWs93qWqQyBA6vupiwnk1UBJOOc

https://www.scotsman.com/regions/edinburgh-fife-and-lothians/female-spaces-need-better-protection-after-trans-woman-sex-assault-on-girl-say-campaigners-140883

And
Comparisons of official MOJ statistics from March / April 2019 (most recent official count of transgender prisoners):

76 sex offenders out of 129 transwomen = 58.9%

125 sex offenders out of 3812 women in prison = 3.3%

13234 sex offenders out of 78781 men in prison = 16.8%

Regardless of all the evidence, just WHAT WOULD BE an 'acceptable' increase that would see you no longer justifying men with penis and testicles in our spaces, @justteanbiscuits ? Because, for most women, ONE, WOULD BE ONE TOO MANY.

Lastly, your plumber analogy is absolutely absurd even for desperation. We seek the services of plumbers and invite them around. No one invites men to closed off womens only spaces, to undress in front of us, to take our sports places, our scholarships, etc.

These transwomen ARE predatory males in our spaces! They are one and the same! They are MALE. And by entering womens spaces, they are being predatory.

All evidence to the contrary!

And yes, it MATTERS to record the assaults by a male body vs a female body. Because as it stands due to the INCREASE of rapes on women by transwomen, these rapes are being recorded as "womens crimes", and therefore, stats show women rape at the rate of 33%. Now, you and I both know that the suggestion that women commit a third of all rapes is ridiculous. Women don't rape, and not at the rate of one third. THAT IS WHY accurate reporting is essential! It makes a male crime, a womans crime, and hence you have men say 'oh but you women commit one third of all rapes' to shut down us as the main victims.

DON'T YOU SEE?

#NotOurCrimes!!

It is SEX, @justteanbiscuits , not 'gender'. A male rapes with his male sex, not his 'identity'. THAT IS WHY accurately reporting crimes by SEX is so very, very vital. I don't understand how you can be a 'data nerd' and not understand the need for.... accurate data. You don't seem at all interested in data or statistics, or the need for straightforward accuracy.

#NotOURCrimes

Is that why the increase in primary schools of children claiming to be trans is 6000% (yes, six thousand percent)? A 6000% increase. It's a social contagion and many parents on here and elsewhere have said their child felt 'pressured' to claim to be trans or non-binary.

I am just reposting this as a follow on from SueVeneers posts. Because it seems to have been over looked by @justteanbiscuits . As a ‘data nerd’ who apparently believes there has been no issue with a group of male people having access to single sex spaces, I would expect that justtea can give posters and those reading this thread a number.

Because there HAS been women and girls attacked, abuse or harmed by the inclusion of this group of males into female single sex spaces in the UK and internationally. The evidence is already out there.

So, please justtea, since you are denying the harm already being reported, what is your number of additional women and girls abused in the UK to be acceptable collateral for this group of male people to continue to be allowed access to female single sex spaces?

Or will you simply not answer and we will assume your answer will always = n+1.

Just to help you.

And we had a poster on MN just last month tell us that they believe that only when an established trend of more than 100 additional women and girls abused per year from this group of male people in the UK would they ever consider it a problem. Do you agree with them?

Sophie Grace Chappell, a UK academic and now advising BCAP on ethics told the world that a slight increase is acceptable. Of course, Chappell is a male trans person. They said it on Scottish radio in 2021 if I remember. I listened at the end and was horrified.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12711047/amp/Transgender-activist-female-murders-ethics-rules-therapists.html

Do you agree with Chappell?+

I look forward to getting Justtea ‘s answer or any other poster who wants to answer. It would be a departure from the silence that always follows when this question is asked, apart from that one poster who finally answered.

But it would show that there are actually posters on this thread are prepared to step up and take ownership of what they are telling women and children to accept. Rather than the constant dismissal that seems to ignore the evidence that is mounting up.

(+ Before any other poster tries to discredit this because it is a Daily Mail article. Any adult who cannot engage their brain and use any media source to then go and conduct a search for original source or for discussion about original source information now deleted seems to lack the ability to critically think through issues for themselves. )

Just to pull that question out for any poster on this thread who is prepared to give women and girls a number.

What is the number of additional women and girls abused and harmed in the UK that you deem to be acceptable collateral for male trans people to continue to be allowed access to female single sex spaces?

As I said, it would show that there are actually posters on this thread are prepared to step up and take ownership of what they are telling women and children to accept. Rather than the constant dismissal that there is an issue that seems to ignore the evidence that is mounting up.

And for clarity, we have already passed n=1 so to speak. I think it is safe to say there has now been multiple convictions of rapes done by male trans people while in female toilets, single sex wards and prisons. And there is now multiple publicised incidents of male trans people exposing themselves to women and girls in changing rooms that never seem to be taken seriously by the police.

There was even a male trans person who caused a policy change or maybe just public restatement with English Swimming just this year that stated swim officials should not be entering change rooms where girls were in a state of undress. Sadly no one counted the number of girls at that event and previous ones who were distressed that a male person saw them naked.

(Note to readers: while many posters will post how they don’t believe there are any issues with a group of male people accessing female single sex spaces, when asked to quantify their beliefs that this should continue, there is rarely an answer. If you, personally, cannot come up with a number that you feel would be acceptable to society to hear if you said it in public, why do you think your number would be acceptable if made public? )

Why not just admit you made a mistake and missed the bit with the trans flag?! You’d look less silly.

Sorry. That last would be was meant to be a ‘should be’.

Because I didn’t make a mistake. The image is the pride progress flag: six-stripe rainbow design with the chevron of black, brown, light blue, pink, and white stripes to represent trans people, those living with HIV/AIDS and those who have been lost to HIV/AIDS.

The trans flag is a mirrored blue, white and pink horizontal stripe design.

So you don’t think the trans flag is represented at all on that image? That everyone else is mistaken?

How has it become political? It only represents inclusivity to me.

I said quite plainly that the colours from the trans flag are represented on the pride progress flag on my previous post. The flag in itself is the pride progress flag. I’m not sure what your issue is with someone stating the name of the flag.

Perhaps campaign to have the trans representation colours removed from the pride progress flag if you like, though the six-stripe rainbow flag represents LGBT in itself, so perhaps that’s not sufficient for your views.

You don’t think redefining the category woman so that it no longer means “adult human female” but “adult human female and men with undefinable inner lady feelings” isn’t political with significant ramifications for women?

In fairness I think many people aren't paying a lot of attention to this stuff

They're still very far away from understanding the ramifications of deciding men can actually be women.

Have you tried looking up what the Progress Pride flag actually means? Where does it say that?

I was talking very specifically about the trans part as has been clear on this thread. One of the genus things the TQ lobby have done is manacle themselves to the coat tails of LGB.

trans people can call themselves what they want, wear what they like & absolutely should not be discriminated against because they are trans

however what stonewall et Al are campaigning for very clearly is for trans people to have additional rights ie to be treated at all times as the sex they wish to be. For women in particular this has massive implications because it enables men who declare themselves to be trans women to have access to any and all women’s spaces

that is not inclusivity

You could be right Keating. I also believe that many people don’t understand the conflicts within the community supposedly represented under that flag either or who dismiss them for reasons of their own.

I guess they don’t know or ignore what is happening. Such as that a lesbian yesterday was questioned by Northumbria police for tweets. And the tweets she was questioned about included her bio stating “LGB and symbols separate from the TQ” , her stating that “trans women are men” and other short statements that are now deemed offensive enough to be interviewed by police.

https://x.com/wearefaircop/status/1723241217536758023?s=46&t=HTxp6zC_d4GZ2FFv4a-YeQ

The question needs to asked everytime : what other political symbols are appropriate to be placed on a product for children? Why is this one deemed special enough to warrant an exception if people don’t believe political symbols are appropriate on children’s products?

I wonder if it is because some people associate the symbol of that particular political movement as very special. But, what would happen if the rejection of that symbol gains such momentum by the original people of the movement in the future? Will those stating it is absolutely great to have this one exception understand that they perhaps were not as righteous as they believe now?

Nope. The black and brown is 'people of colour' - as if the original rainbow didn't include non white people. Or to put it more succinctly:

Could you tell us what the ‘+’ means in LGBTQI+ ? All the groups that are now represented or believe they are represented, or seeking to be be included?

Google is your friend

It stands for "Plus whatever other shit we make up to label ourselves with".

though the six-stripe rainbow flag represents LGBT in itself, so perhaps that’s not sufficient for your views.

Yes, it represents everyone it needs to. Why isn't it sufficient for everyone? It's the whole point of the rainbow symbol before queer theorist idiots started adding bits on.

I’m simply pointing out what the flag depicted is named. That’s all.