Gym response to being flashed in ladies changing room?

[Yajebbend]

A male entered the female changing room and flashed at me late last Saturday night. I was alone and naked. I reported to the gym who have said that they checked the cameras three times and can’t see a male entering. It must be on there somewhere it happened, I’m raging about it and the response. I want him identified so I can report to police.

aibu to think this isn’t good enough

He was naked. How do you present as anything when naked.

And 3 out of the 4 scenarios allow a male to flash women and have it be ok.

And if you take that position, on what basis are you suggesting DL's response is because of or affected by someone's definition of what a woman is?

There are those zebras again.

Do you know which club they're a member of up north? I'm trying to find this in Twitter, I'm a DL member and I was sure rooms were split by sex, v disappointed this isn't the case from reading in here

@fuzzleberry scroll up on this thread; @HardyEM the person who’s taking this action has posted a link to her fundraiser which has details

https://x.com/EmmaHardy196290/status/1666099456624799744?s=20

Again no one is being transphobic, people have just pointed out that men will dress up as women to gain access to womens spaces!

Used to train with Anytime. They were very proactive in the only one time there was any trouble. A man for no reason in the weight area started running around screaming and shouting and attacking inanimate objects (most likely roid rage). Police were involved and he was banned. Also the single use changing rooms were locked when gym staff were there. Very odd that OPs staff have no CCTV or evidence. They should do, raise it with police, press and local MP. Absolute disgrace!!

Reasons why staff may not have found CCTV evidence of a male going into the ladies.
1, He may not have put much effort into changing appearance, jeans, flat boots and a parker style jacket are fairly unisex.

2, He might have used a female disguise, they might be looking for an obvious male.

3, The male could have been in a cubical (lots of gyms have a few individual cubicles as well as open plan area) for a while, awaiting the right moment

4, He could have entered the female changing from the pool side and them not check that camera on the pool side, ie gone into the Males, taken of his clothes, gone poolside to sauna. Then made his way into the ladies in a towel.

The gym aren't going to contact the police so Op should contact them. It needs a proper investigation not a 5min scan through the CCTV around the time of the incident.

I agree that DL hate women. My sister works there and her ex is a member who has been in trouble for stalking her and harassing her to the extent the police have been involved and spoken to him more than once. He’s a member there and sits and watches her while she’s working at the bar. She’s asked for him to be banned and the managers say he’s a member and he’s not doing anything wrong by sitting in the members lounge by the bar. 🤷‍♀️.

I get that he hasn’t done anything illegal but if the managers wanted to protect a vulnerable female employee they could do, they can ban who they want. But they refuse. But they also illegally withhold sick pay and discriminate against staff against the Equality Act.

Ive been there today and there was a male boy in the changing rooms as tall as me (5ft4”), no way was he under 9yo. There is often 11yo, 12yo boys in there ogling the females getting changed (what pre teen boy wouldn’t). Including their female classmates if they happen to be there! I mean I do blame the mothers but the club won’t crack down on it and enforce their own rules! They say the kids could have learning difficulties. Well my friends dd is in the same secondary school class as one regular attendee and says he’s got no learning difficulties to the extent he can’t get himself dressed!

I've been discussing these experiences with DH today as we're both at our DL most days. I don't think I've seen anything like this but find mgt totally useless on other issues so I'm not surprised

I can't believe any 11 or 12 yo boy would be seen dead in the ladies changing rooms.

Thanks all so much for support and validation. Reported to
police today and will update

Glad to hear that

I had to report a man who was harassing me to the police after I had reported him to Virgin (he was employed by them and fitted tv/phone line) . They showed no interest at all but the police did

Good luck Op I hope they take it seriously

Hope the police are helpful, whatever the outcome @Yajebbend

Take it easy for a bit, bloody shitty experience.

There may be a number of reasons why staff haven’t seen a male enter the changing room…. Saying they can’t see it on CCTV isn’t the same as denying the event happened. It might be poor angles for the cameras in the relevant corridor or the system timer could be wrong and they are watching the wrong part of the tape. ( especially as clocks have recently changed ) It does sound like they’re under reacting though… their system should be able to tell them who was in the gym at the time. Fingers crossed he’s identified soon. I can remember being flashed at 30 years ago and it still makes me uneasy. I don’t know why people are unphased by it - it’s vile.

So glad you were able to report OP. How did they respond? Hope they took it a lot more seriously than DL and you felt validated.

IMO DL should’ve been offering to call the police as soon as you reported a crime on their premises.

We have seen how serious flashing is as a precursor to rape and murder of women. It was so much in the public eye after the vile Wayne Couzens case.

DL have absolutely no excuse and their lack of duty of care is disgusting. I would be cancelling my membership with immediate effect, hit them in the pocket OP!

OP says he was definitely male and entered wearing a towel.

You seem to think this is some mic drop moment, but it’s not…

OP says he was definitely male and entered wearing a towel.

I know that, I was answering a question.

32 years ago the response from the police would have been very, very different to what it is now- I would have been 23 back then and I can remember that being flashed at being joked about as something that 'dirty old men' did and it was something that wasn't taken seriously by many people. Let's hope he didn't do it again after your partners 'intervention '!

OP did you hear back from the Police?

Not heard a thing. Gym said duty manager would call me back on Monday but not heard anything from anyone

Gosh that's appalling. I'd feel really frustrated in your situation. Is it worth following up with 101? It's sometimes a long wait but you'd think they'd want to get CCTV footage before it's overwritten or whatever.

What about the police are they not interested either?