To tell you the Scottish Govt are targeting 18 year old girls for egg harvesting

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Yes, really.

Surrogacy Concern broke the news on Friday night. I can’t actually believe it.

Over a month to come, the Scottish Govt are asking for egg and sperm donors as young as 18 to come forward in a series of targeted ads on social media and the radio. They’ve expanded IVF provision and - in their own words - have a supply and demand issue.

I’d heard of fertility clinics advertising (bad enough in my view) but for a national Govt to do this to women is staggering. Women can die from complications arising from OHSS, which can be caused by egg donation. A British woman died in 2006 as a result.

The ads don’t mention these risks; it’s all “be kind” “do something amazing”. I cannot actually believe a Govt could be this stupid. They’ve only just apologised for forced adoption!

AIBU?

Ivf and drugs like Clomid are amazing for women struggling to conceive. I think they should only use their eggs though.

Clomid can have bad side effects for some women, known as the Clomid crazies. I felt suicidal on it. And I didn’t get pregnant on it either.

Last year when I was looking at university information for my dd I visited a number of websites which are targeted/used by students.

I had several adverts pop up about egg donation all mentioned payment for expenses and mentioned figures significantly higher than £750

This is incorrect - you CAN get paid for egg donation, and the donors aren’t all just people who are having IVF. My friend did it in her early twenties (about 7 years ago) simply because she wanted the money. She got a couple of grand for it.

My point is.

A couple ofntimes now you've posted about those exploitative old women.

When a huge number of donated eggs are being used by male gay couples. And not the 'old' women who can't have babies.

Interesting study on how much the needle size changes the amount of pain the woman has after the operation. The fact that they did this study shows that most women have pain afterwards and that it’s a problem.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7563574/#:~:text=Interventions-,Oocyte%20retrieval%20with%20a%20reduced%20needle%20(20%2F17%20gauge),standard%20needle%20(16%20gauge).

What the hell. How on earth did they get women to consent to the trial? "You will either have the standard (massive) needle or the much smaller one"

If you read the advert properly, there is an age range 🙄 Infertile women want eggs, good quality eggs come from a specific age range.

Noone's being forced into it.

Egg donation can also cause early menopause. Quite different to harvesting sperm 🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️

Not true. By law, donors can only be paid a maximum £750 per cycle (to cover costs) in the UK.

https://www.hfea.gov.uk/donation/donors/donating-your-eggs/

I don’t think this is true. Please can you link the report that states it can cause early menopause. As a doctor for over 30 years and someone who had multiple IVF cycles, I have never heard of this, so I am curious to read about it.

I wrote this and then did check. It’s something that’s been indicated for women going through IVF who also go through egg donation. So I’m not sure egg donation alone causes it BUT whilst googling (outside websites actively promoting egg donation) I did find plenty of em websites discussing a lack of long term studies and mentioning individual cases where women felt their egg donation was implicated in their health problems thereafter.

So the take away is it is not the same as ejaculating into a bloody pot for women. It is an invasive procedure with the potential for harmful side effects and shouldn’t be promoted by a government who has already shown their absolute disregard for women - I’m guessing their not trying to extract eggs from transwomen. They can figure out which sex is which at this point I’m guessing 🤦🏻‍♀️

@Porridgeislife I thought the exact same thing... that with commercial surrogacy being banned in the UK, only expenses can be paid.

One screenshot is from a solicitor’s website that confirms that only expenses can be paid.

The other is from the website of one of those surrogacy organisations, suggesting that this is only a guideline and that it’s not enforced. These organisations are creepy!

my takeaway is (like much of the theme of this thread)

• you made it up
• any medical procedure has risks (which we all know), but as it isn't mandatory it is up to the donor to assess and agree those risks
• and you have a political agenda against the SNP as no mention of other government promoting egg donation

Can you imagine it?

Transwoman: I'd like to donate eggs please.
Health care practitioner: Erm, you don't have any eggs?
TW: But I'm a woman.
HCP: I'm afraid you're actually biologically male. You don't have ovaries.
TW: How could you, I've got a GRC and EVERYTHING! Bigot! Transphobe!

Well aren’t you a sweetheart. Just keeping dumping women’s rights to body autonomy away in the trash and we’ll all see where we end up down the line. See you in 10 years 👋

Ok cool, maybe she got paid the 750 plus other expenses as it claims you can get. The amount is kind of irrelevant - the point is that financial compensation is most definitely a reason why some women would choose to donate eggs. It’s not just the case as pp suggests that egg donors are women who are already going through IVF so choose to donate a few while they’re there.

I'm so thankful we don't have to put up with SNP in England.

Wow - this so not good.

However

The public health annual review is happening on 13th November.
They are taking questions now

"It won’t be possible for questions to be asked during the meeting but they can be submitted in advance by email or post:
Email: [email protected]

Include ‘Annual Review’ in the subject heading. Questions must be received by 5pm on Tuesday 7 November 2023. The co-chairs will ask a selection of submitted questions during the meeting, with questions and answers published on the PHS website after the event."

Jenni Minto MSP ([email protected]) is one of the two chairs and it might be worth copying her into questions.

I see someone has already been asking about the budget allocated for this, and I'm sure there are a good few other questions that people would like to ask. If they get a healthy selection they cant ignore them all.

Thanks, I am.

Choice for donation is not being taken away or forced on anyone, especially not 18 year olds! So autonomy is well intact, it is their decision, would you rather autonomy was removed and women were not given the option to donate if they choose to because some people have issues with egg donation? I believe woman should have the choice.

Trans rights are a completely different topic from the thread title and bringing them up just confirms the thread is a SNP pile on. The thread title "the Scottish Govt are targeting 18 year old girls for egg harvesting" makes the op and any supporters of that statement just sound ridiculous.

What careful language: A Donation like dropping a couple of unwanted books into a Charity Shop!

Potential donors will get free counselling too to ensure they are aware of and comfortable with the implications.

Do not mess with hormones and female biology unless it's absolutely necessary. The consequences can be devastating.

If only! And thus all involved met the crashing realities of biology 😏

I tried to share this.
Google:
Emily Woodruff egg donation. You need to read on until it highlights an example of a woman who suffered the consequences.
This article doesn't paint a pretty picture 🤦‍♀️

Jesus fucking H Christ.

I love Scotland but by god sometimes I feel like leaving.

@NoTouch I find your reaction really interesting. I don't live in Scotland and therefore have no agenda for or against the SNP other than being amazed that women in Scotland don't feel absolutely shafted by their attitude to women. They are abhorrently misogynistic in my view.

I wasn't aware that this was being promoted anywhere beyond Scotland but I would absolutely object to it anywhere. It's just it isn't a surprise to see it in Scotland because the prevailing attitude to women is one of absolute contempt.

I wonder are some people so absolutely wed to Scottish independence that the SNP feel like they can do ANYTHING they want and know a percentage of people will still support them. When actually it might be better to steer the ship in a different direction but still with the ultimate destination of independence.