To tell you the Scottish Govt are targeting 18 year old girls for egg harvesting

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Yes, really.

Surrogacy Concern broke the news on Friday night. I can’t actually believe it.

Over a month to come, the Scottish Govt are asking for egg and sperm donors as young as 18 to come forward in a series of targeted ads on social media and the radio. They’ve expanded IVF provision and - in their own words - have a supply and demand issue.

I’d heard of fertility clinics advertising (bad enough in my view) but for a national Govt to do this to women is staggering. Women can die from complications arising from OHSS, which can be caused by egg donation. A British woman died in 2006 as a result.

The ads don’t mention these risks; it’s all “be kind” “do something amazing”. I cannot actually believe a Govt could be this stupid. They’ve only just apologised for forced adoption!

AIBU?

Babies don't have long term memories. This is scientifically uncontested.

You know, there are a fair few people out there who think it's acceptable to verbally and physically abuse elderly people with dementia because they can't form long-term memories.

There are even more people who think there is no point visiting people with dementia and making them happy in the moment because they can't form long-term memories.

They're all wrong. The emotional effects of abuse, or a pleasant visit from loved ones persist, even if people can't consciously know why they feel unhappy or why they feel content and loved.

Oh wow.

The relationship between lots of biological parents and their children break down. Lots of biological parents don't love their children, don't care for them adequately, don't end up raising them. I'm not sure what your point is.

Babies know if they feel loved, nurtured and safe. They don't know whether the person loving and nurturing them also gave birth to them. What about fathers?

<hollow laughter>

What about fathers? Have you not seen how babies prefer their mother to their father? Never listened to a woman talking about how the baby doesn't calm down for dad?

More than that, it's developmentally normal for babies to demonstrate that they are outright scared of all adult males except their fathers/usual male carer! And they make an exception for him because he's worked at it.

I can’t get over that you’ve gone down the science route with this, and stated a fact like that.

Oh well. That’ll teach me for wasting time on internet forums!

JFC. You people are INSANE!

In our current patriarchal society, in a lot of families the mother does more of the childcare, so the baby is more comfortable with the mother. There's nothing inherent about it.

I can't believe this type of backward thinking still exists.

Insane is a new 21st century term for "has experience of infant development", then.

I mean, find me a single source that claims newborn babies have long term memories. I'm baffled that anyone is trying to claim they do

Did you even read the quote thread I was replying to?

I was describing why women, disabled or otherwise, don't use gigolos. And it's true, female use of male prostitutes is vanishingly rare.

Feminists understand the biological and structural power imbalances between the sexes. Feminists acknowledge the sexed pay gap, wealth gap, physical strength gap, and orgasm gap.

Feminists understand that a woman can make her own decisions, subject to the same caveats about capacity if she's vulnerable that would apply to a vulnerable man. Feminists also understand that a woman's decisions around sex mean nothing when faced with a man who will override her decisions. And feminists recognise how paying a strange man to come to your home to fuck you is likely to end in a lack of sexual satisfaction at best and rape or murder at worst.

On what scale? Personal experience doesn't make you an expert. Do you have extensive professional experience/qualifications in a relevant area?

You are aware that testing babies on whether the recognise music usually suggests that they do?

For example, here is one random google result.

Newborn babies can remember melodies played to them while they were in the womb, according to a study.
Scientists found that the brains of babies who heard a specific melody just before birth reacted more strongly to the tune immediately after they were born and at four months.
In the study involving 24 women in the final few months of pregnancy, half were asked to play Twinkle Twinkle Little Star to their foetuses for five days a week. The scientists then played the tune to the babies after they were born and measured their brain activity using electroencephalography.Guardian

Your posts indicate that you certainly don't!

Funny how only some kinds of "lived experience" count, isn't it.

Without wanting to say anything outing, I don't have children of my own, but I have extensive experience of caring for babies and young children.

They certainly have short-term memories and recognise their mother day-to-day. They know when they are held by a different woman. They calm down better for mum than for anyone else. And yes, they recognise their mum's voice straight after birth because they heard it in utero.

A fractious baby who won't sleep and struggles to feed is disadvantaged in those early months compared to one that will sleep and feed easily. What the long-term effects are, if any, no one knows.

Link

Just one off the top of my head that may give you some food for thought.

I wish I had the time to help further as there’s a lot to understand and it is fascinating.

Wish you luck with it.

So what qualifications do you have then? What were your set texts on cognitive development in the newborn?

Did you ever study trauma signifiers in babies who'd stayed in NICU? Just some random questions.

You're wasting your time. PP82 has said that she doesn't trust actual evidence from Prison Service so there's no point offerings links to studies, she'll just accuse you of trying to prove a bigoted position.

I didn't claim to have any qualifications, only experience. I simply asked if you had any professional qualifications yourself. If you do, happy to look at any evidence you send me. A previous poster has sent me some evidence. I've read in with interest and am investigating further.

Gosh. More backtracking.

A) Of course I don't trust an institution as corrupt and incompetent as the prison service. And anyone who thinks they are on the left and does, needs to give their head a wobble

B) I'm not looking at any 'evidence ' purporting to prove that an entire minority group are more prone to criminality. Because I'm not a fascist.

This is child development. It's different. Very happy and interested to look at any evidence sent to me.

Nope. You just appear to lack basic reading comprehension skills. I haven't backtracked.

They don’t have specific concrete memories of events, in the way you or I could remember what we did last Tuesday.

They do, however, lay down implicit memories of feeling states, and what happens to them in infancy is very important in terms of how their nervous system is set and their way of approaching the world and their beliefs about themselves. What happens in the womb has a big impact as well, eg if the mother experiences high stress rates this impacts cognitive and emotional development, as well as physical development.

Yes. I guess the key element to pick up on is that the ability to consciously recall and communicate a memory is a very different skill to actually having the memory, and experiencing the impacts of it.

This is where much of the research has focused in the past 20-30 years.