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Are We BU for not "supporting" our friend?

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algreaves1987 · 03/11/2023 22:44

This is a scenario that myself and my husband were both witness to and it's now causing a huge problem! FYI we have all known each other since our teenage years so a long time.

A(she)+B(he)= married couple (together 17 years married 10)
C(She)+D(he)= Long-term partners (15 years!)
Us! (Married 12 years together for 15)

We are all in our late 30s if that helps.

We were out at a nice restaurant. Since COVID we haven't seen that much of each other so we all agreed to get a nice hotel overnight and go out for dinner and drinks at the halfway point (the furthest between us is about 3 hours). So we meet at the hotel have a chat then go and get ready. Everything is fine at this point. We meet in the lobby and A seems a little icy with B but not that awful, in my opinion. Please note that in my opinion, B can quite often be very rude (lacks social skills - not from any issues - just doesn't care how other people feel at times).

We get a cab and go to the restaurant. We get seated and B's phone goes off and he goes outside to talk to his parents. A is instantly pissed off. She makes comments like "Here we go again" "Why can't they leave him alone for 5 minutes" etc. It's awkward but my husband does an amazing job of turning it around and we are all laughing within a few minutes.

B comes back and A literally just ignores him. He tries to talk to her, but she won't engage. At this point this is more than just the phone call I think, something is clearly going on but I really don't want to get involved and my husband and I have been looking forward to this for a few weeks. We get drinks and order food. B started talking to me and my husband asking about work. A is currently working part-time (she was a full-time social worker and just couldn't hack it - we all agree personally that she's been much happier since she dropped her hours in half and her caseload). If it's relevant here both my husband and I work full time and have the most income - significantly. If you add the rest of their incomes together it doesn't come to half what we make and for some reason, this seems to really interest B - in fact, we discuss it nearly every time we see him!

He asks us about how we divide chores etc in the house - we have a cleaner so that helps but previously we just split things between us depending on who wanted to do what. He then asks me directly whether I help my husband's parents. I haven't spoken to my MIL for nearly 3 years due to the issues I have with her behavior. I don't air our private issues in public - I know my husband is upset that there is no relationship between myself and his family but he also knows that his family caused this so doesn't blame me. I don't want to talk about it as I don't want to rub it in his face. He then hypothetically asked me "If my MIL had, had surgery and couldn't get around and needed help and was very elderly would I consider helping her in the evenings?" Again to not rub things in my husband's face I said "That would depend on my availability - work and family considering". He asked me if I would be open to it and I said sure. At this point, the dinner arrives. We are chomping away and commenting on how delicious the dinner is when suddenly A just gets up and walks out. We are all dumbfounded except B. He carries on eating his dinner telling us to do the same because she is just doing it for "attention". At this point, I feel like all the questioning me about my in-laws has something to do with it.

I tried to call A multiple times. I called the hotel (about 20 minutes after she left) to ask if she had arrived etc but they wouldn't advise me. We finished our meal, had another drink and I said to my husband that I wanted to go back to the hotel because I was no longer comfortable. He agreed. B was fuming, telling us that "she does this all the time to spoil things" and "she'll be back in about an hour completely fine and pretend that she had some emergency". I wasn't buying it. A had gotten upset over the years with comments made (and she had made quite a few herself to others) but she hadn't just walked out and disappeared.

When we got back to the hotel we called other friends and people we knew who knew her to see if anyone had heard from her because B said she wasn't in the hotel room and she'd taken her bag. Their car was still in the car park though. B just went to bed. He wasn't interested in looking. At this point, we felt like there wasn't much we could do but wait so we stayed up watched a crappy movie, and called a couple more times but ultimately went to sleep. The following morning still nothing. B went back home. We got a frantic call from him just over 3 hours later to tell us that she'd been home and most of her things were gone. At this point, my husband just asks him plainly what's going on. He explains that his mother became ill about 10 weeks ago and needed help. His father was very old-fashioned and not coping that well. In their house B is the higher earner but works 12-hour shifts so helping wasn't an option (in his eyes at least). A had put up with a lot from MIL - she'd been rude, deliberately excluded her from Christmas, and took away special moments from her (they have a daughter). To be honest I am really lucky with my husband, he fully supports me but I don't think B supported A at all whilst this was happening. A told us that he kept pushing and telling her that she wasn't making the effort. In the last 4 years, he stopped forcing the relationship - or so we thought.

This happened 2 weeks ago. She removed herself from our WhatsApp group. She sent me and our other friend C a message stating that she was upset that none of us girls " stood up" for her when it was clear that B was referring to her not helping and that she needed some space. She blocked both of us after that.
C feels like A has a point because it was obvious that B was talking about A not helping with his mother (at the time not that obvious to me, but hey ho). C and I also know that 4 years ago A's father died (her mother died nearly 20 years ago) and she was working full-time. B told her they couldn't afford for her to go part-time so she could spend more time with her dad. B said that they had Debts to pay still (turns out very little Debt and B was just saving money for "stuff"). A worked full time and went around there most evenings but cut down because B was complaining that he was working long hours and it wasn't fair he was coming home to having to do all the child care so that A could go around there. She felt like he didn't want her to help her dad out. He died and A was distraught. B did apologise for his behaviour repeatedly but things were really rocky between them for about 8 months. Honestly, I thought she was going to leave him. Their daughter was 3 at this point.

So B's mum came out of the hospital and B wants A to go around and nurse her back to health now she is part-time. According to B A laughed in his face and told him she doesn't care if she dies - he'd finally understand then. He said he'd only brought it up a few times over the last 10 weeks - I'm guessing that isn't true because I know B. When he wants something he's like a bulldog. B knows A doesn't want to be anywhere near him and he hasn't seen his daughter for 2 weeks now. He's expecting a divorce proceedings to start.

Both me, my husband, and C feel like B is the AH here but D thinks that A had her chance to leave him 4 years ago and that she is deliberately doing this out of spite. I don't feel it's the same because MIL is apparently nowhere as ill as her dad was (although her dad didn't engage with GPs etc so none of us really knew how ill he really was until he died).

Really sorry for the long post but basically me and C are getting hateful messages on Facebook from her other friends telling us what scumbags we are and how we don't deserve to live and now I am feeling pretty low about it all. I want to talk to A but I can't.

Are we BU for not supporting her during the dinner? I have told B that until I get A's side of the story I am not taking sides at all, my husband agrees. We know A can also be a little hot-headed (but to be honest we think B is way over the line here)

OP posts:
MyGooseisTotallyLoose · 04/11/2023 20:46

How was op meant to know where A.had gone if she wasn't answering her phone? Go searching the streets?
Whys it only on OP to have gone chasing after her?

billy1966 · 04/11/2023 21:49

MyGooseisTotallyLoose · 04/11/2023 20:46

How was op meant to know where A.had gone if she wasn't answering her phone? Go searching the streets?
Whys it only on OP to have gone chasing after her?

If one of my friends upped and left abruptly after a conversation like that where her husband was clearly quizzing me to have a sly humiliating dig at her, where she felt she could endure no more.......then no...... slugging back another drink or two would not be what I would do.

But I'm also not conveniently obtuse and I sure as hell would never sit by and have a known absolutely abusive bollix like B, have a clear go at A in front of me.

Friends my arse. The OP was clearly flattered by A's abusive husband and his admiration for her salary.....🙄

Friendship🙄....poor A...no wonder she left....

The OP clearly was no friend at all to A, she thinks she is so superior to her.

She is just surprised that A and her friends see her VERY clearly and have made known EXACTLY what they think of her.

Her ego can't stand being seen so clearly.

I certainly dont agree or condone A's friends behaviour at all.

But they must be incensed, like posters, at A's treatment at the hands of her bollix husband B while the OP happily lied, knowing how A suffered during her fathers last months.

Unbelievable.

Phiface77 · 04/11/2023 22:16

TeaKitten · 03/11/2023 22:55

So A has got her friends telling you you don’t deserve to live… and you think B is ‘way over the line’.

Block the pair of drama llamas and this friends of As and move on with your life.

That post was really hard to read.

I doubt A has purposely got her friends to slag you off. If shes been a reasonable person up until now then I'd say it's a case of hurt people hurt people. You havent done anything wrong. Could you have played it better? Yeah maybe. If you care about her enough then get a message to her saying you value her friendship and would like to talk/listen/support. Make it clear though that you wont be taking sides
Of course it could be that remaining friends with both of them will be incredibly difficult. Decide now if their individual added value to your life is worth it.

maddening · 05/11/2023 00:28

OrderOfTheKookaburra · 04/11/2023 02:22

How was it NOT obvious that he was asking about helping your MIL due to something going on with his wife??!!

And YABU to have not just said "it's totally dependent on the relationship I have with my MIL so it's not a one size fits all". Because actually, you lied. YOU would never help your MIL so yes, you threw your friend under the bus!

Even if it was obvious that the questioning was some pointed remark at the friend would you get involved in what you can only guess is some domestic argument of which you have no knowledge in the middle of a restaurant? I think I would try and avoid the convo and try and ask my friend when we were alone what was going on - but the friend here didn't even give the op the opportunity to do that and is now behaving abusively to the op via other friends

FarEast · 05/11/2023 05:18

Make it clear though that you wont be taking sides
Of course it could be that remaining friends with both of them will be incredibly difficult.

Why would anyone want to stay friends with the husband B? He’s behaved very badly to his wife, and used @algreaves1987 in trying to browbeat his wife A even more.

MyHornCanPierceTheSky · 05/11/2023 06:52

maddening · 05/11/2023 00:28

Even if it was obvious that the questioning was some pointed remark at the friend would you get involved in what you can only guess is some domestic argument of which you have no knowledge in the middle of a restaurant? I think I would try and avoid the convo and try and ask my friend when we were alone what was going on - but the friend here didn't even give the op the opportunity to do that and is now behaving abusively to the op via other friends

Agree with this. Why have they waited till a weekend away to have this big argument which they both seem to want to involve everyone in. Are they used to being centre of attention or the focus of the group?
Both are annoying and wouldn't want to continue a friendship, I'd screenshot the abuse from the friends of A and hope they're not her colleagues!

Girlswillbetwirls · 05/11/2023 11:21

gettingolderbutcooler · 04/11/2023 08:25

So A was expecting YOU to stand up to B when she couldn't or wouldn't herself?
Can't bear people who put the responsibility for their relationship and well-being on others.

This!

I had one friend who would let her boyfriend treat her badly (constant cheating , no affection etc) and then expect me to tell him off down the phone when he’s continue to act badly.

I did it a few times but then realised I was enabling her and she wasn’t leaving him despite having no kids. Im sure I was labelled as the “interfering friend” especially as I was single at the time, so I eventually took a step back and just gave her advice. She could leave him or deal with him as he is - herself.

@algreaves1987 I think you’re getting a hard time here about not picking up on Bs intentions. If you didn’t pick up on it, you didn’t pick up on it.

Or even if you did and tried to stay neutral and said the wrong words under pressure, I feel that’s understandable too. We are constantly told us women to stay out of others marriages, it’s sometimes hard to know what to say or do under pressure.

B is an awful guy , but A needs to save her anger for him. They both put all of you in a difficult position and seem quite inconsiderate. If A is aware her friends are doing this to you , and she endorses it - I think it’s best the friendship ends anyway.

I wonder if her friends are giving B half the hassle they are throwing your way? I feel they’ve all chosen you to be the scapegoat.

MyGooseisTotallyLoose · 05/11/2023 15:22

Similar to @Girlswillbetwirls there was a couple in our friendship group in late teens who were rather dramatic, and would fall out lots and expect sides to be taken, but then make up and together be dreadful because 'everyone else was trying to split them up because 'jealousy'.
Wonder if A and B have made up, and if they have the whole issue is now OPs fault!

ZeldaFighter · 05/11/2023 15:35

I'm not going to say I've never missed the nuances in a social situation but even I saw that one. Why couldn't you? "B" was clearly trying to prove that "A" was in the wrong by using you and you let him. Despite knowing the backstory! Did you ask "B" about whether he supported his sick in-laws?

I would apologise to "A" and explain, as a pp said, that you were just trying to avoid confrontation and smooth the waters. If she doesn't accept your apology, I think your relationship with both if them is over.

PS salary is only 1 measure of worth and value. It's not the only one.

HolidayHollie · 05/11/2023 15:43

It was clear B was getting at A or trying to by asking you if you would look after your MIL and you suggested you would, thereby backing him up, when I'm actual fact you wouldn't clearly. No wonder A was annoyed.

Iwantamarshmallowman · 05/11/2023 16:03

yabu .. you have taken a side, in not supporting A you have taken Bs side. B was very clearly antagonising A at the meal and it sounds like you are enjoying the drama. I think A is better off out without all of you.

Tinwoodswoman · 05/11/2023 17:58

I think poor A was probably at the end of her tether and feeling dreadful. B started having digs at her over what has possibly been a very contentious issue between them and she probably did feel totally unsupported. I’m not surprised she walked out, I think I would have.
I certainly wouldn’t want to nurse my MIL if she had been a bitch to me either. If you can make contact with A I would explain you didn’t want to cause a row at what should have been a pleasant evening, but obviously it didn’t work out. If she doesn’t respond to you after that, then I would ditch all of them. You don’t need people like that in your life.

StepAwayFromGoogling · 05/11/2023 18:19

SURELY it was obvious that B was having a dig at A when he started talking in such specific detail about whether you'd help out your MIL in such specific circumstances? Yes, I'd be pissed off if that was me and you were agreeing with my dickhead husband that I should be looking after my MIL.

Moll2020 · 05/11/2023 19:19

I don’t blame A for leaving. B was ignorant & selfish when it was A’s parents who were ill. All this crap about who does what and how money is split in a marriage is ridiculous. Share everything, forget your rotas, just be a team and help each other.

H007 · 05/11/2023 19:33

YABU in not recognising that B was being passive aggressive A must have felt awful.

loiss85 · 05/11/2023 19:51

If it's relevant here both my husband and I work full time and have the most income - significantly. If you add the rest of their incomes together it doesn't come to half what we make

Nope, not remotely relevant to the story at all. Odd that you would feel the need to share that detail Confused

loiss85 · 05/11/2023 19:51

H007 · 05/11/2023 19:33

YABU in not recognising that B was being passive aggressive A must have felt awful.

Also - this!

Toomuchtrouble4me · 05/11/2023 19:56

You knew exactly why B was probing and you didn’t shut it down. So I get why A was pissed off - with him and then with you for your total lack of support.
Getting message saying you don’t deserve to live is really extreme, I don’t know anybody who would post that gif any reason. It’s just weird.
you do need to apologise - email her at work if all else fails?

MrsRachelDanvers · 05/11/2023 20:05

Couldn’t be arsed with friends who involve others in the drama of their lives instead of dealing with each other. Especially having digs in manipulative ways in front of others and someone storming out of a communal meal and pa blocking. And then aggressive messages? Life is too short. The only people I know who may behave like this are maybe a couple of colleagues who I have no choice but to work with-maybe use it as an excuse to distance or even drop your friends. Find ones who treat people normally.

LongDarkTeatime · 05/11/2023 20:16

Poor A
You need to apologise profusely on these posts for not realising what B was actually talking about. Offer to be there for her, no strings.

Completelydonechick · 05/11/2023 20:23

So I read, got bored, scanned through again, still can’t see the relevance of couple earning twice more than all other couples…… anyone read through that can shed light on the relevance of this?

Glasgowgal200 · 05/11/2023 20:41

Probably best you didn't get involved in their relationship

SweetFemaleAttitude · 05/11/2023 20:48

Couldn't read it all. Can't stand A said B should do xyz but C said A should do what B agreed, but D said blah blah blah.

Couldyounot · 05/11/2023 21:02

B sounds like a first-class arsehole and A doesn't sound much better - plus is miles offside with all the flying monkey bullshit. Why on earth would you want to continue a friendship with people like this?

StockpotSoup · 05/11/2023 21:57

They say “opposites attract” - but in reality, like tends to attract like. Hence you’ve got two massive drama queens in A and B. The problem is, they both want top billing. That’s why they both chose an expensive weekend with close friends to cause as much drama as possible.

He deliberately provoked her by asking OP not-so-veiled questions about whether she would nurse her MIL, probably knowing they don’t have the best relationship. Either the OP would be honest, which opens up the argument to a wider audience, or try to smooth the waters (which is what she seems to have done), in which case B can say to A, “See? OP would do it, and she doesn’t even like her MIL…” He gets to make A look like a bitch, and cause ructions in the process. Win win.

A had more than one option. She could have ignored the obvious digs and changed the subject. She could have said very firmly, “We are NOT discussing this here; don’t drag our friends into it” or similar. Instead, she walks out right in the middle of everyone’s expensive weekend and disappears - ensuring she’s front and centre of the drama, and that everyone dances to her tune. When OP and the others weren’t quite as quick to jump to her attention as she hoped, she threw a tantrum about being “unsupported” and then broke out the block button. Of course, she’s now regretting it - hence sending in her backing singers (again, like attracts like) to carry the tune.

OP - you’re well rid of all of them. Toxic people who only want to be centre stage with the rest of you drooling for gossip like Pavlov’s dogs. Report the psycho messages, lose A’s number and be glad they’ve shown their true colours.