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Are We BU for not "supporting" our friend?

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algreaves1987 · 03/11/2023 22:44

This is a scenario that myself and my husband were both witness to and it's now causing a huge problem! FYI we have all known each other since our teenage years so a long time.

A(she)+B(he)= married couple (together 17 years married 10)
C(She)+D(he)= Long-term partners (15 years!)
Us! (Married 12 years together for 15)

We are all in our late 30s if that helps.

We were out at a nice restaurant. Since COVID we haven't seen that much of each other so we all agreed to get a nice hotel overnight and go out for dinner and drinks at the halfway point (the furthest between us is about 3 hours). So we meet at the hotel have a chat then go and get ready. Everything is fine at this point. We meet in the lobby and A seems a little icy with B but not that awful, in my opinion. Please note that in my opinion, B can quite often be very rude (lacks social skills - not from any issues - just doesn't care how other people feel at times).

We get a cab and go to the restaurant. We get seated and B's phone goes off and he goes outside to talk to his parents. A is instantly pissed off. She makes comments like "Here we go again" "Why can't they leave him alone for 5 minutes" etc. It's awkward but my husband does an amazing job of turning it around and we are all laughing within a few minutes.

B comes back and A literally just ignores him. He tries to talk to her, but she won't engage. At this point this is more than just the phone call I think, something is clearly going on but I really don't want to get involved and my husband and I have been looking forward to this for a few weeks. We get drinks and order food. B started talking to me and my husband asking about work. A is currently working part-time (she was a full-time social worker and just couldn't hack it - we all agree personally that she's been much happier since she dropped her hours in half and her caseload). If it's relevant here both my husband and I work full time and have the most income - significantly. If you add the rest of their incomes together it doesn't come to half what we make and for some reason, this seems to really interest B - in fact, we discuss it nearly every time we see him!

He asks us about how we divide chores etc in the house - we have a cleaner so that helps but previously we just split things between us depending on who wanted to do what. He then asks me directly whether I help my husband's parents. I haven't spoken to my MIL for nearly 3 years due to the issues I have with her behavior. I don't air our private issues in public - I know my husband is upset that there is no relationship between myself and his family but he also knows that his family caused this so doesn't blame me. I don't want to talk about it as I don't want to rub it in his face. He then hypothetically asked me "If my MIL had, had surgery and couldn't get around and needed help and was very elderly would I consider helping her in the evenings?" Again to not rub things in my husband's face I said "That would depend on my availability - work and family considering". He asked me if I would be open to it and I said sure. At this point, the dinner arrives. We are chomping away and commenting on how delicious the dinner is when suddenly A just gets up and walks out. We are all dumbfounded except B. He carries on eating his dinner telling us to do the same because she is just doing it for "attention". At this point, I feel like all the questioning me about my in-laws has something to do with it.

I tried to call A multiple times. I called the hotel (about 20 minutes after she left) to ask if she had arrived etc but they wouldn't advise me. We finished our meal, had another drink and I said to my husband that I wanted to go back to the hotel because I was no longer comfortable. He agreed. B was fuming, telling us that "she does this all the time to spoil things" and "she'll be back in about an hour completely fine and pretend that she had some emergency". I wasn't buying it. A had gotten upset over the years with comments made (and she had made quite a few herself to others) but she hadn't just walked out and disappeared.

When we got back to the hotel we called other friends and people we knew who knew her to see if anyone had heard from her because B said she wasn't in the hotel room and she'd taken her bag. Their car was still in the car park though. B just went to bed. He wasn't interested in looking. At this point, we felt like there wasn't much we could do but wait so we stayed up watched a crappy movie, and called a couple more times but ultimately went to sleep. The following morning still nothing. B went back home. We got a frantic call from him just over 3 hours later to tell us that she'd been home and most of her things were gone. At this point, my husband just asks him plainly what's going on. He explains that his mother became ill about 10 weeks ago and needed help. His father was very old-fashioned and not coping that well. In their house B is the higher earner but works 12-hour shifts so helping wasn't an option (in his eyes at least). A had put up with a lot from MIL - she'd been rude, deliberately excluded her from Christmas, and took away special moments from her (they have a daughter). To be honest I am really lucky with my husband, he fully supports me but I don't think B supported A at all whilst this was happening. A told us that he kept pushing and telling her that she wasn't making the effort. In the last 4 years, he stopped forcing the relationship - or so we thought.

This happened 2 weeks ago. She removed herself from our WhatsApp group. She sent me and our other friend C a message stating that she was upset that none of us girls " stood up" for her when it was clear that B was referring to her not helping and that she needed some space. She blocked both of us after that.
C feels like A has a point because it was obvious that B was talking about A not helping with his mother (at the time not that obvious to me, but hey ho). C and I also know that 4 years ago A's father died (her mother died nearly 20 years ago) and she was working full-time. B told her they couldn't afford for her to go part-time so she could spend more time with her dad. B said that they had Debts to pay still (turns out very little Debt and B was just saving money for "stuff"). A worked full time and went around there most evenings but cut down because B was complaining that he was working long hours and it wasn't fair he was coming home to having to do all the child care so that A could go around there. She felt like he didn't want her to help her dad out. He died and A was distraught. B did apologise for his behaviour repeatedly but things were really rocky between them for about 8 months. Honestly, I thought she was going to leave him. Their daughter was 3 at this point.

So B's mum came out of the hospital and B wants A to go around and nurse her back to health now she is part-time. According to B A laughed in his face and told him she doesn't care if she dies - he'd finally understand then. He said he'd only brought it up a few times over the last 10 weeks - I'm guessing that isn't true because I know B. When he wants something he's like a bulldog. B knows A doesn't want to be anywhere near him and he hasn't seen his daughter for 2 weeks now. He's expecting a divorce proceedings to start.

Both me, my husband, and C feel like B is the AH here but D thinks that A had her chance to leave him 4 years ago and that she is deliberately doing this out of spite. I don't feel it's the same because MIL is apparently nowhere as ill as her dad was (although her dad didn't engage with GPs etc so none of us really knew how ill he really was until he died).

Really sorry for the long post but basically me and C are getting hateful messages on Facebook from her other friends telling us what scumbags we are and how we don't deserve to live and now I am feeling pretty low about it all. I want to talk to A but I can't.

Are we BU for not supporting her during the dinner? I have told B that until I get A's side of the story I am not taking sides at all, my husband agrees. We know A can also be a little hot-headed (but to be honest we think B is way over the line here)

OP posts:
zingally · 04/11/2023 10:22

The bonkers friends of A on FB are nutters. Block and ignore. And frankly, if A is going around telling all her other unconnected-to-you-mates that you are the insane baddie in this... kinda says more about her.

Continue to reach out to A if you feel so inclined, but frankly, I'd just leave them all to it. The whole situation is above your pay grade.
Plus it seems like this is the perfect opportunity to drop B, who it doesn't sound like you like very much anyway.

MrsHarrisAParis · 04/11/2023 10:28

If A packed up and left that night then of course she'll be telling people what preceded it.
But honestly this is all so obviously awful that I'm surprised there wasn't a parking space mentioned.

Hmindr68 · 04/11/2023 10:34

Sounds like A and B deserve each other.

AThousandStarlings · 04/11/2023 10:46

I think you are unreasonable. A is grieving, A's relationship in under stress, A is in incredible pain. A needs someone to help her work it through, supportively, unconditionally, non judgementally and confidentially. Instead you have added to her pain, isolated her and broadcasting her on this site. Caring for the dying is something that only the experienced medics/carers have knowledge of or those that have walked that path. Caring for someone can take up 24 hours of a day (your day), washing, feeding water, trying to find joy in life to the end. Spoon feeding, puree-ing, dealing with renal failure. It is your life that is on hold while you provide that care, or carers, or hospices. The emotional rollercoaster takes you to the edge. Because holding the living together, ie the person that is left, spouse or child, and making sure those that are left are not irreparably damaged in the walk to the edge or that the relationships of those left are not destroyed along the way can be challenging. The is where the living need to care for each other (and this is where you failed). How hard is it for her to the give love and care to another parent having struggled to do that in a way that she wanted for her own. Sometimes caring it is a thankless task. The cared for can be incredibly abusive, and even violent. She needs grief counselling and a friend. A is incredibly vulnerable here - I don't think she has anybody near her who is able to reach her. You are clearly not that person. I hear a LOUD cry for help. The least you can do is try and get it for her - see if she can go to a grief coffee/counselling meet up.

IMustDoMoreExercise · 04/11/2023 10:47

TeaKitten · 03/11/2023 22:55

So A has got her friends telling you you don’t deserve to live… and you think B is ‘way over the line’.

Block the pair of drama llamas and this friends of As and move on with your life.

That post was really hard to read.

It really wasn't difficult to read. It was long though.

TeaKitten · 04/11/2023 10:49

IMustDoMoreExercise · 04/11/2023 10:47

It really wasn't difficult to read. It was long though.

Do you feel better for making that comment? Great contribution, thanks 👏

InSpainTheRain · 04/11/2023 10:52

Block A and B and A's friends and ignore the drama. I don't see why you didn't realise B was needling A with his questions to you, but she has moved out (good for her) and you need to butt out.

AThousandStarlings · 04/11/2023 10:54

*or receive help and support from a hidden carers group.
Poor A is dying with those that she loves/ed. and is completely misunderstood.

IMustDoMoreExercise · 04/11/2023 11:20

TeaKitten · 04/11/2023 10:49

Do you feel better for making that comment? Great contribution, thanks 👏

Yes, of course I feel better because I wanted to support the OP.

Your comment was unnecessary.

Just because you found it difficult to read, it does not mean that it was and I did not want the OP to think that there was something wrong with her way of writing when there wasn't.

TeaKitten · 04/11/2023 12:35

IMustDoMoreExercise · 04/11/2023 11:20

Yes, of course I feel better because I wanted to support the OP.

Your comment was unnecessary.

Just because you found it difficult to read, it does not mean that it was and I did not want the OP to think that there was something wrong with her way of writing when there wasn't.

Your comment was unnecessary. Just because you didn’t find it hard to read, doesn’t mean that I lied. And you still criticised her post saying it was long. Anyway I’m glad you feel better.

SchoolQuestionnaire · 04/11/2023 12:50

Spirallingdownwards · 03/11/2023 23:00

Yes even from your post it was bloody obvious when he was probing about whether you would help MIL that he was making pointed remarks about her. In reality you wouldn't help your MIL so why did you pretend it would depend on your availability and not just say that's a flat-out no!

No wonder A left. Good for her.

If you want a relationship for her apologise and say you were trying to avoid a confrontation and that it has backfired.

This.

You are no friend. You prioritised having a peaceful evening over defending her and I’m not surprised she wants nothing to do with you. She deserves a huge apology and you should be telling her husband what a prick he’s been rather than nonsense about wanting to hear both sides.

Elvis1956 · 04/11/2023 13:26

flaxentoad · 04/11/2023 08:13

We were discouraged from having friends too. Never had a friend over to our childhood home in my life. Mum had no friends over either, nor did Dad.

I didn't word that too well, it was a case of not letting anyone get close, being cynical about their motives, not letting your heart rule your head about friend ship. I did and do have friends, but not a best friend or anyone too close

ClairDeLaLune · 04/11/2023 13:31

I can’t understand the hard time you’re getting on this thread OP. To me you didn’t really realise that B was referencing his own mum’s situation at the dinner, and your answers were given to protect your husband and not to want to slag his mum off in public which is perfectly reasonable.

A sounds pretty nasty, to make the initial comments about his parents calling him, and to say she doesn’t care iF his MIL dies.

A’s friends sound unhinged, to wish death on someone is disgraceful and disgusting.

B sounds like a bully and a manipulator, but possibly coming from a good place to help his mum.

You sound well shot of A and B really, they’re pretty toxic.

I would say you, your DH, C and D ANBU.

Grumpy101 · 04/11/2023 13:45

You're not really friends with A. You're friends with A and B as a couple. You don't care that B is an arsehole and you judge her for not "hacking" a full time job.

You were trying to have a nice evening. A and B had no right to pull you into their marital problems, that was awful of both of them. Everyone has shit in their lives. You don't air out at an event and ruin everyone else's night.

A is right to be upset on the realisation that you're not really her friend. You're wrong to keep pretending that you are.

Step away. Let them go on with their lives. B is not worth the effort as a friend on his own and you've hurt A too much.

MyGooseisTotallyLoose · 04/11/2023 15:59

ClairDeLaLune · 04/11/2023 13:31

I can’t understand the hard time you’re getting on this thread OP. To me you didn’t really realise that B was referencing his own mum’s situation at the dinner, and your answers were given to protect your husband and not to want to slag his mum off in public which is perfectly reasonable.

A sounds pretty nasty, to make the initial comments about his parents calling him, and to say she doesn’t care iF his MIL dies.

A’s friends sound unhinged, to wish death on someone is disgraceful and disgusting.

B sounds like a bully and a manipulator, but possibly coming from a good place to help his mum.

You sound well shot of A and B really, they’re pretty toxic.

I would say you, your DH, C and D ANBU.

This, is A usually a centre of attention seeking drama llama?

Countdown2023 · 04/11/2023 16:13

A should have kicked B’s sorry arse into the long grass years ago. He sounds a right twat.

@algreaves1987 are you really friends with B? If you were you would have known this issue was brewing.

billy1966 · 04/11/2023 16:16

"C and I also know that 4 years ago A's father died (her mother died nearly 20 years ago) and she was working full-time. B told her they couldn't afford for her to go part-time so she could spend more time with her dad. B said that they had Debts to pay still (turns out very little Debt and B was just saving money for "stuff"). A worked full time and went around there most evenings but cut down because B was complaining that he was working long hours and it wasn't fair he was coming home to having to do all the child care so that A could go around there. She felt like he didn't want her to help her dad out. He died and A was distraught. B did apologise for his behaviour repeatedly but things were really rocky between them for about 8 months. Honestly, I thought she was going to leave him. Their daughter was 3 at this point."

A drama llama after the above treatment by her husband?

Her friend lying about what she'd do for her MIL she hasn't spoken to in years, and entertaining her bollix of a husband humiliating her in public?

With a husband and friends like the OP, who needs enemies.

Her friends are totally wrong for contacting the OP, but not wrong for thinking that A is married to scum and the OP is the absolute dregs as a friend.

She's blocked the OP.

Could it really be any clearer to the OP.

She should leave A alone to her real friends.

Friends who don't feel the need to brag about their income, as they mock A for having to work reduced hours through stress after the traumatic death of her father while her liar husband bullied her.

daisychain01 · 04/11/2023 16:25

Really sorry for the long post but basically me and C are getting hateful messages on Facebook from her other friends telling us what scumbags we are and how we don't deserve to live and now I am feeling pretty low about it all

Really?? So her friends, who aren't your friends, are telling you, who they don't know, that you're a scumbag.

and you give a shit, why?

sounds like you're happy to be sucked into the drama and make this the centre of your attention.

just walk away, you don't have any obligation to support any of them.

daisychain01 · 04/11/2023 16:36

Any sign of the OP?

FarEast · 04/11/2023 16:37

B is the rotten one here although A is not in her finest hour. But it was obviously the straw (a minor thing) that broke the camel’s back.

B’s behaviour over A’s father dying was atrocious so A is entirely justified in not nursing her MiL.

But you weren’t to know that B was trying to publicly shame his wife at that dinner. B put you in an difficult position. So he’s even more the arsehole.

AhNowTed · 04/11/2023 16:57

billy1966 · 04/11/2023 16:16

"C and I also know that 4 years ago A's father died (her mother died nearly 20 years ago) and she was working full-time. B told her they couldn't afford for her to go part-time so she could spend more time with her dad. B said that they had Debts to pay still (turns out very little Debt and B was just saving money for "stuff"). A worked full time and went around there most evenings but cut down because B was complaining that he was working long hours and it wasn't fair he was coming home to having to do all the child care so that A could go around there. She felt like he didn't want her to help her dad out. He died and A was distraught. B did apologise for his behaviour repeatedly but things were really rocky between them for about 8 months. Honestly, I thought she was going to leave him. Their daughter was 3 at this point."

A drama llama after the above treatment by her husband?

Her friend lying about what she'd do for her MIL she hasn't spoken to in years, and entertaining her bollix of a husband humiliating her in public?

With a husband and friends like the OP, who needs enemies.

Her friends are totally wrong for contacting the OP, but not wrong for thinking that A is married to scum and the OP is the absolute dregs as a friend.

She's blocked the OP.

Could it really be any clearer to the OP.

She should leave A alone to her real friends.

Friends who don't feel the need to brag about their income, as they mock A for having to work reduced hours through stress after the traumatic death of her father while her liar husband bullied her.

Agreed.

The OP knew fine well but couldn't resist being a paragon of virtue at the friend's expense.

Hibiscrubbed · 04/11/2023 17:31

Truly @algreaves1987, why did you think your salary being ‘over double all theirs added together’ was relevant to this story? 😂 is it because you’re a cheeky little monkey and this post is a bit of a wind up?

IMustDoMoreExercise · 04/11/2023 17:31

TeaKitten · 04/11/2023 12:35

Your comment was unnecessary. Just because you didn’t find it hard to read, doesn’t mean that I lied. And you still criticised her post saying it was long. Anyway I’m glad you feel better.

I didn't say that you lied. I assumed that you found it difficult to read, but I wanted the OP to know that I did not.

The OP herself apologised for the long post, so I wasn't saying anything she did not know. You were.

Chromium24 · 04/11/2023 19:02

Any updates ?

Nanny0gg · 04/11/2023 19:24

Your friend walked out and you sat there, finished your meal and had another drink

You phoned but didn't go after her? You'd already not backed her up

And you wonder why she's blocked you?

What does she need you for?